Go back to the basics. Practice gripping over and over again. Check finger and thumb placement, use a mirror it makes checking the fingers easier. Use a Gripper if you have one, if not get one.

Yaw is a term you need to describe further. In aviation you have three axis Yaw, pitch and roll. We have the same axis. Pitch is the rotation of the dice. Roll is the dice making like a curve ball, and yaw is like a car doing a 360. Are your dice curve balling or spinning out.

Are you allowing the dice to leave your grip on their own or are you opening your fingers up, forcing them out. Is your grip light like your holding a down feather without crushing it. Are you keeping your fingers together through the release or spreading them out.

Do you square the dice in your hand with the table top and back wall. Is your follow through level as well. Is your back swing straight or are you pulling inside or outside.

Focus on the basics until the haunt you in your dreams, until you catch yourself going over the routine in boring meetings at work and carry a pair with you to practice gripping there too.

Stephen C has given you some great suggestions. I want to follow up on one of them.

"Stephen C" wrote: Is your follow through level as well. Is your back swing straight or are you pulling inside or outside.

When you said

the right die appears to be landing on the left die

it sounds to me like you are hooking your hand inside on your back swing, bringing it forward in a round house fashion and when you release the dice they are not square to the table. I believe you are releasing them at an angle with your index finger higher than your pinky and ring finger in relation to the table.

If that is the case you need to do what Stephen C said above. You have to make sure your back swing is straight back and straight forward.

Watch your hand in your back swing a few times to make sure you are going straight back. Don’t bother looking at the target for a few shots. Keep you eyes looking down and to the right so you see your back swing as you bring your arm back and forward. Then try a few shots looking only at your forward swing to see that it is straight.

If you have a big mirror to place above the back wall so that you can see the position of your hand when you release the dice that would help. If not then hold your hand in position after the dice roll off your fingers. Don’t move your hand so that you can see the position of your fingers at release. You want to be sure you are square to the table and back wall.

Let me know how this works out for you.

All great suggestions. There is no question that the problem is obviously in the grip.

when you saw it with the dice glued together ….. this makes me think it is with your thumb. Make sure that your thumb is PERFECTLY centered and half way down the dice

Dominator

All are giving you correct and great ideas. Here is how Rose and Doc have overcome this type of situation. We use a mirror that is 2 feet by 3 feet. You can stand it up at the end of your craps table or landing station. You will throw the dice and they will hit the bottom of the table and they bounce off the mirror. We make this last statement as you can be sure the dice will not break the mirror.

Now for practice purposes, after you make sure the grip is correct and the dice are level before you start your throw, you look in the mirror and watch the position of your upper body to make sure the shoulders are making a straight line to the target area. For purposes of this drill do not look at the target area but watch your entire swing in the mirror from back swing to release. You will be able to detect if your back swing is coming inside or outside (coming inside is the most common). You will be able to see if your swing is going straight down the table to the back wall and you will be able to see your release. In the release you will be able to see if you are flicking your fingers rather than holding them together (hold the C) forming a straight line for the dice to roll off, you will also be able to see if your fingers are level to the bottom of the table at release and not cocked left or right as indicated in prior posts to this thread.

We both believe that learning self critique is important. Using the mirror in this manner will give you a lot of input as to what might be wrong.

You can also have your wife or girlfriend (but not both unless they are the same person), a neighbor or good friend use an IPAD with the app SLO PRO, film your throw. You can then watch in slow motion to see any imperfection in your throw.

Lastly and possibly the most important, you can sign up for a refresher course, elite video, tune up. You won’t regret doing any of these. Even the greatest golfers in the world take lessons on a regular basis. Even the best sometimes do not see the changes that need to be made.

Hope that helps.

Alligator Rose and Doc

Great advice from everyone

I’ve dreamed about my craps throw every night nice Memphis. Still have not dreamed about my first monster roll yet, so not there as far as dreams go…lol

Going back to grip tonight. I’m sure at least 1/4 of my throws the grip is too tight. Im inconsistent still in my release point and angle. I’m working very hard and consistently seem to make the same mistake. Very frustrating but I’m determined to work thru it. A fresher will be in my future for sure. I’m going to buy a small level today as well is I think my dice may be off level with outside die above inside die. They appear to be parallel with the back wall.

Still lots of work to be done…

Are your shoulders square if not your swing may follow the plain that you sholders are on causing your arm to hook in or out as skinny says.

Are you trying to make the swing from your elbow instead of the shoulder, the swing being made from the elbow will cause it to hook in it needs to be from the shoulder

You may be trying to hard.

It sounds like there may be multiple problems here. You say you think your grip is too tight so to correct that try the following.

Grip your dice and slowly release the tension on your fingers until the dice fall out of your hand. Do this several times so that you can feel how tight you need to hold them so that they do not drop out of your fingers. You only need to grip them as tight as they are the instant before they fall out, anything tighter is going to cause problems for you.

One thing that I have done is to grip the dice, rest your hand on the table, look down at the dice making sure that they are square to the back wall. Simply lift the dice off the table and throw to your spot on the table. This will eliminate any swing problems that you have. See if the dice stay together, don’t push with your thumb. Trying this eliminates a lot of the overall toss lets you concentrate on grip and release. Try it as it has helped me. If you don’t have anyone to witness your throw, I think that breaking the total throw into segments helps for me.

Good luck.
Doug

All advice is wonderful and practice going well. Some of my frustration is gone. I’m still practicing daily. I’ve lightened my grip and lowered my thumb position. Saw improvement almost immediately. I seem to rush my throw with any frustration or nervousness, so I’ve worked on slowing down. Consistency is lacking some, working on consistent slow thought and repeating same routine. I have a casino weekend planned in 3 weeks. I’m So excited to see the progress. My betting strategy will be conservative. 5 count everyone and pass line bet with odds on myself and then 5 count till another bet is placed. If I get a roll of 15-20, I’ll be in good shape. I play a lot of early am sessions as the 3 hour time change from east coast makes me an old man in vegas (early to rise and early to bed) I play with 1-2 other people or even by myself sometime, so usually get dice often. Only thing about playing by myself is dealers get bored and want to chat. This has broken my concentration in the past, their strategy worked as I quickly 7 out. I will be introducing my wife to craps this trip. She has only played 2-3 times before and really just mimics me. Planning on practicing with her some on betting and overall game play. If she takes a liking to it, a primer class may be in her future. We’ll see.

Happy throwing

Chad