What are those white chips doing there wasting valuable rack space? 😀

That’s right, you use them as counters.

RichInMich

Nice work guys. DoughBoy

Nice roll, Dom.

Just out of curiosity, what was the initial risk on the layout? And what was the hit/spread pattern? Come bets converted to place bets or place bets across, etc.?
Did all the numbers get covered and what was the hit/press strategy?

This is part of my obsession with betting strategy. : )

Alamo

Nice roll Dom

I love Corky’s BBQ — but, I’d settle for that rack anyday !!!

I think you meant ’39 roll hand’ NOT a ’39 hand roll’. The latter sounds like a sushi dish rather than a bitch ass craps hand! 😆

Alamo

Dom

Nice job, my friend.

Scan

It was a beauty! There was even some player at Dom’s end who I think was deliberately trying to piss him off and Dom was able to block him out. What unbelievable focus! Lots and lots of 8’s. But Arman had a couple of beauties over the weekend as well. All in all, very profitable and lots of fun. Even made some bonus money on a slot machine!!!

MIDNIGHT

"AlamoTx" wrote: Nice roll, Dom.

Just out of curiosity, what was the initial risk on the layout? And what was the hit/spread pattern? Come bets converted to place bets or place bets across, etc.?
Did all the numbers get covered and what was the hit/press strategy?

This is part of my obsession with betting strategy. : )

Alamo

With a 20X odds game in Tunica, the best play is comebets, so that is what I used. $10 come with $100 in odds to start with …. moving to max odds and then i increased my come bet. You should have seen nick at night and my rack!

Dom

That is the way it is to be done way to go guys

I keep hearing about Come Bets…but real generally, other than what Skinny has written about, which is too bold for my taste. How many come bets do you ultimately get out there, and do you try to get all the numbers covered? What do you do when a come out 7 takes you off the board in the middle of a big roll?

I like the idea of come bets because they temporarily pull money and odds off the table, but when there are only two or three of them, it has been my experience that you can have a long roll and miss your numbers also. I don’t have an SRR of 17 or something, so I can’t pick and choose the numbers I hit. I’ve been experimenting with the idea of converting come bets to place bets after I’m up a certain amount.

Would love to hear some thoughts on this, as it is my desire to absolutely maximize the casino’s exposure while minimizing mine!

Alamo

Come bets are, in my mind, no different than place bets when thinking about them as you do now

but when there are only two or three of them, it has been my experience that you can have a long roll and miss your numbers also

How many times do we follow the GTC methodology and place the 6/8 as the lowest and therefore easiest house advantage to beat and get the same result. Throw 6, 7,10 rolls with outside numbers and trash mixed in, one hit and then out. I don’t know about you but that used to happen to me a lot.

To break that nasty cycle I now will go with the pass line and two other numbers. example .. B-man and I recently were playing in Vegas, he had the dice and comes out on the 6, I have the Pass line bet up. I place the 8 and throw out a come bet for the third throw. After the next throw I would have 3 numbers covered assuming he didn’t come back with either the 6 or 8. From that point until I collect the forth hit I stay with 3 numbers. If he should hit the Come number I would throw out another come bet and ride. After four hits and a small profit I throw out another come bet and will "Place" and come bet that isn’t off/on. Worked out well for me and I started making money after initially having good rolls and not making much. *I should add that if he came back with either the 6 or 8 I work the Come bets to have 3 numbers regardless*

There is no golden bullet to be had but if you study Skinny’s "The Big Skinny" and adapt it to your style, ability level and bankrolls you should see an improvement. Nothing is going to make those good rolls with nothing to show disappear completely but this is a start. Just my 2 cents

The power of the come bet lies on the initial roll and the power of the 7. Ideally, you want come bets on 5 of the 6 numbers and of course the pass line. But in order for that to happen, the roll has to be a super roll. When the 7 shows on the come out, I look at that as a gigantic win. Although I am losing my come flat bets, I get back an incredibly large amount of chips from my odds and that to me is a nice payoff. If the roll is that good, I place the 6 & 8 and maybe buy the 4 & 10 if the vig is on wins only. The. Definitely start out with another come bet. That is how I personally play.

Michael

I had the privilege of blocking on this roll. The great Dominator’s dice were glued together. The table would erupt each and every box number. It was what we all strive to achieve. It was poetry in motion.
Tommy C

Have any of you been able to develop a strategy where you ‘convert’ to place bets as you begin to accrue come bets on 3+ numbers? I understand the bonus of the 7 wiping the board clean and giving you back your odds, but if that happens on roll 15 or so, you are almost forced to go back to maybe 2 numbers and start over. My biggest wins have come when I’ve had place bets on all the box numbers. At least in theory, having all the box numbers covered and working is a beautiful thing. You do leave a lot of money out there when you do finally 7 out, but on the way, you’re also banking quite a bit, especially if you’re bumping up from time to time as the roll goes on.

Right now, I’ve started experimenting with two natural bets with odds to start the roll. The passline bet and one come bet. If one of the bets hits within a 5 count, I then keep a come bet out and re-establish to get two naturals with odds on the board. Then I place bet two other numbers for apx 1/2 of what is on the naturals. So, for example if 8 is your point on a $10 table and 5 is your come bet point, and then the 5 hits, you rack $70 and make another come bet. Lets say it goes to the 9. So now, full odds on the 9 and the 8. Place the 5 for $25 and the 6 for $30. When one of the smaller bets hits, rack the win. Second hit on either of the place bets and you press the one that hit up to $50 or $60 as the case may be. If you hit the 9 or the 8 again, rack the win and keep the number on the board as a place bet. As soon as you’ve hit any 3 numbers that pay $70, on the 4th hit you rack $50 and spread to one of the two open numbers. Initially, if the 5 count expires without a hit on one of the 1st two naturals, you can go ahead and put the two lesser numbers out there, anyway, as insurance in case the roll extends, with the same rules. Or conservatively, wait for that first $70 hit. This method is really a two bet deal with the naturals providing the big hits initially and the place bets racking one and then pressing. The naturals and the place bets pay for themselves, more or less, with two hits. From there every $70 pay day is racked until the 4th hit, where the spread to the last two numbers happens.

This is a quick summary, but in practice, it seems to keep the low roll risk to a minimum but leaves you alive and well for an extended hand.

I know this subject has been endlessly debated on here. I’m just interested in what others might be doing.

Alamo

I believe the NEW GTC teaches 5 count everyone else but yourself. When you have the dice a pass line bet and a bet for the dealers. Max odds on the passline bet then 2 additional come bets with max odds. After you have a nice profit in the rack go to 4 come bets with max odds. If this is not correct I’m sure I will be corrected, because I have had some trouble remembering this part of class when I get to the table. 😆 😆

Thats what notes are for . 🙂 🙂 🙂

Thought Dom was banned from Mississippi / Tunica casinos?

True, Chuco….so did I. I was part of the class that got relocated from Tunica to Memphis during the great thunderstorm class in maybe ’07. Word was they couldn’t play or teach there.

Dom…were you outlawing it?

Alamotx

It was not in Miss. we drove to Missouri. lol 😆 😆 😆 😆

White chips used to begin tipping with only need 4 for counting .
Great roll on a 14 ft. table .
Good Rolling.

Dom does not count the rolls. The whites are for tipping.

No one of our students counted. Thanks Leslie.

"Chuco" wrote: Thought Dom was banned from Mississippi / Tunica casinos?

I was banned and trespassed at all the casino in Tunica. There is a difference. I would never go into the casinos that read me the trespassing act. I could thrown in jail for that. Banning, or backing me off is a different story. That means that they backed me off and said I couldn’t play … the trespassing act was not read. I entered the casino at my own risk, meaning, that after a first banning, then second time the trespassing act would have probably been read.

I accepted that risk in a casino was that was closing in about a month. I didn’t hand in a card and didn’t stay to long at the fair.

I love this game and unless I have been trespassed, I have and will continue to enter casinos that have backed me off with in a disguise and some other way. I played at this casino in a hat. Now that isn’t one of my great disguises, but it worked for me at this casino.

This was the first time I have played in a Tunica casino in about 5 years. I got the itch and had to scratch it! 😀

Dominator

Some times I think that the game commission should send in under cover agent to see how they change the rules to their advantage just when they want to .To see how they take advantage of drunks .I do think things have gotten better then in days passed tho .
I also think that there should be more regulations on the way tables are built .They sure are getting taller for us shorties .This also makes the dealers more work too .Some of the short dealers stand on platforms lately .
Glad you got rid of some of your itch . Also that you had a good roll . It could have went the other way vary easy with all that had happened in past .Hope you get to roll more in Vegas .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

I just finished reading Franks’ new book and learned for the first time the difference between ‘Banning’ and ‘Being Backed Off. Thanks for chiming in.

Great shooting Dom!