Professor,

I thought you were asking about swinging too quickly. In other words, I thought you were gripping the dice and throwing them almost instantly after picking them up. I was trying to get you to hesitate for a fraction of a second before starting your back swing. As I said, if you start your back swing before you look at your target, your head and arm will be moving at the same time and that is not good. You want to focus on your target first and then start the back swing.

But it sounds like you are talking about having too many revolutions in your dice as they rotate in the air. As you said, that may or may not be a bad thing. It all depends on how the dice react after they hit the table and bounce off the back wall. Too many revs could cause your dice to grip when they hit the table with too much back spin causing them to slow up too much and land short of the back wall.

Alternatively, you may be talking about throwing the dice too hard and they are hitting with too much force.

With the former, you can alter the number of revs on the dice with your thumb position. The thumb acts like a fulcrum. By lowering or raising your thumb you lengthen or shorten the length of the lever on the fulcrum. Lower your thumb down the dice to get less revs and raise it to get more revs. That is one of the reasons a player who uses the tips of his fingers as opposed to the pads gets more natural rotation (revs) on the dice.

If you are throwing the dice too hard it is possible your back swing is too big, generating too much force as your arm comes forward. In practice try shortening your back swing and see if that reduces the force on the dice. In fact, try a few throws with no back swing at all just to see if the back swing is the problem.

Let me know if I have interpreted your problem correctly and if any of this helps.

Are you flipping your wrist this causes lots of revs.

Are you caulking your wrist when you pick up the dice this to can cause lots of revs

Professor,

In a email conversation with Darryl this morning, your high rotations is what is required for the microfiber tables we shoot on.
Darryl suggested to use a low angle, higher rotations, landing farther back from the wall. This is different than your typical shot for the felt. This is driven by the grain of the microfiber is working against us throwing from SR1.

We were able to figure out a consistent shot for our other partner shooting from SL1 this weekend going with the grain.

thank you Skinny, Brothelman and JohnC1. I will take and use all of your advice. Skinny, you did interpret the issue correctly I just posed it wrong. It was the revolutions I was was refering to. I will try lowering my thumb. I tried that in the past and it did not work for me but maybe it was due to where you put the other fingers. If initially the three front fingers cover the top pips and the thumb is almost half way down when I move the thumb down to say 3/4 do I keep the front fingers in the same place or move them down also? And JohnC1 our group is fighting a microfiber table and presently not sure we are winning. I will try my high revs with a low trajectory when we next meet.
BrothelMan i do not think I am cocking my wrist or flippping the dice. I will check for that. Thank you all. Professor

High rotation or revolutions can be good or bad. Every shooter will have a toss that may or may not need more or less revolutions. We do get into the number of revolutions the dice have or need in a Refresher course and also how to increase or decrease them at that time. Everyone is different, I can safely say that I have a lot of rev’s on my dice as does Dom.

Rev’s are needed to keep the dice on Axis.