What a great post and good insight on your part. Rose and Doc could not agree more. We do much of the same as you. Thank you for posting and reminding all of us that we need to make sure we are ready to hit the tables. Remember that after a long trip you are tired and need some rest in order to get ready. We seldom don’t play the day of arrival. A good warm up in the room is a must.

If a warm up cannot be done, bet low on only a few numbers and watch what is happening to your throw. When things begin to look good then raise your bets—assuming you are at less that full odds, more odds can be added at any time.

Alligator Rose and Doc

Agreed. Sometimes I call it the $5 practice session… Single PL bet then start rolling, check table conditions and dial in your grip and toss. If its on, then increase the bets, if its off and not dialing-in, you can walk with minimal impact to 401-G.

RichardM; you are so right. The confidence that you have while playing practiced just cant be matched by any other feeling.

Personally I have found that when I feel confident, and interchangeable word for practice’d , my betting procedures are just that, procedures, they are not guessing games to see how I am shooting then trying to adjust my betting to that particular session. It is methodical and procedural.

It seems that even tho I am retired the practice time is not the same every day .Some times I don’t practice at all .
How many rolls should I be doing in say month ?
How many for a year I know it will vary just want an idea .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

The big thing I notice is that if I am not practicing regularly – like every couple of days I lose some of my edge, not all of it but I am not where I want to be unless I am practicing every day. And that practice includes logging all of my number and analyzing what is and is not happening. All this talk about muscle memory is great but fine tuning and getting your throw where you know it should be is all about practice, practice and more practice.

In fact I got so serious about my practice based on some of my recent experiences and I totally rebuilt my practice rig this weekend. I doubled the thickness of the landing station and increased the height of the chip rail/arm rest and change the clothe to billiard table quality wool and polyester material.

Now as soon as the glue dries on the receiving station I am putting the legs back on, installing the new billiard clothe, the back and side boards with pyramid rubber and it is off to practice time. FYI I bought two different types of new table clothe from a craps table manufacturer three months ago and didn’t like how thin they were and how they played so I went with the old school billiard clothe. I will soon see if this was a good decision. Make your luck. practice, practice and look at your numbers. Oh and then practice some more.

Finisher,

I use Sharpshooter’s 120 roll practice sheet with mods. I average 15,000 documented practice rolls a year. That is 2.4 120 roll sessions a week. I do not throw less than 120 in a session. Including the debriefing time it takes about an hour and 20 minutes every time I practice.

I get another 5000 practice rolls that are undocumented every year.

Monday, Wednesday and Friday are my preferred practice nights. Sometimes I get them and sometimes not. Thursday is my non-craps day, no practice, no study. Try to set a schedule and keep it.

Good luck

OMC

In regards to practice time I have to admit that it varies a lot and is greatly influenced by my work schedule and the things I need to catch up on at home after being gone during the week for work. That being said when I do practice I try to get a minimum of 180 rolls in during a session so that I can run the statistics and look at the numbers as to what each die is doing. The 180 rolls doesn’t take all that long and the data let me know right where I am at and if my advantage numbers are really reflective of play.

When possible I travel with my mini-practice receiving station and log in the numbers just like I do at home. Based on my experience I need four good practice session a week to keep things in synch. Long weekend sessions with data review after each 60 rolls give me a chance to look at trend analysis and how well my grip is performing based on rotations, on axis, etc.

I practice mostly with chips now. It keeps me focused and into the practice. I take a $300 buy in and try to double my money. I also try different betting … come betting … place betting and things like that. If I blow the $300 I then take a little time to analyze my throw.

it seems to work for me
Dominator

One thing i like to do is carry a pair of dice in my pocket. I asked Nick what he did. So I followed his advice. I always want to know what the dice feel like. Not really using any specific set, just to get the feel of the dice.
When I took up golf, I used to have a club in the house and I would just grip it so I could get a feel for it. I practice these simple things cause I win more at the crap tables than I do on the golf course. I have to say one thing. Learning the grip and tempo of my throw has improved my putting!
I remember what Mr. Finness said. We need to spend a few minutes a day just on the grip……

I think that we all need to realize that in practice at the start the time is fast and OK .But as the roll goes along the time will slow down in the casino compared to your practice session .
I say this because unless you are making other bets and a lot of prop bets which will occur in a real casino setting . Just a thought .
So what should the roll time be like for say a 20 roll hand verses a 40 or 50 roll hand .Also full table verses one with 2 or 3 players ?
I clocked my last session and it was 1min per roll . I don’t know if this is slow or just normal . This is with 3 bets being played and 2 hard way bets retrieving the dice and making pays for wins and losses .Also recording the numbers including hard ways .
It seems to slow more if points are made more then if you have a long roll with out making vary many points .
I realize that a good crew would make a big difference tho .
Any thoughts out there ?
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

I found some numbers on a Casino Operations Management website. The dice numbers quoted are by Fox & Kilby. They attribute the numbers to a study in 1990 in one of Atlantic City’s casinos.

The number of rolls per hour is dependent on the number of players at the table. They seem a bit high to me but it is what the study showed.

Here is their chart.

[pre]Rolls per Hour in Craps

Players Rolls per hour
1 249
3 216
5 144
7 135
9 123
11 102[/pre]

Is that with BETS ? 🙂 🙂 🙂 LOL
Thanks Skinny .
Hope there will be more responses from Lurkers .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

It may be with bets but I doubt anyone ever got paid for any of the bets. 15 secs a roll for a single player and 30 secs a roll with 9 players. I don’t see many bets being paid at those speeds.

Hmmm The more I look at your post I think boy I have a long way to go to meet their expectations . I guess I am slow at both setting and paying since I would be in that first group of one player. Four times slower seems like a lot tho .
Some times I feel that setting the dice to fast draws attention too.I guess every day or pit person is different so need to get a feel as what is better each time .
Most of my sessions lately have been less then 1 hr. in length for one reason or another .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

I was playing at a casino in Canada today and one of the comeout rolls took about 20 minutes. The shooter rolled 12, 12, 11, 12, 11, 11 and finally a 9. What took so long was all the center action. It took forever to make the payouts.

Just think about that . Seven rolls that took 20 min and then they started placing their bets for box numbers which take some time if there are a lot of players . Then you start to get into more prop. bets the hard ways . O my this roll may take up word to an hr. for just a 30 roll .
I wonder how long it took and how long the roll ended .
Messed their rolls per Hr. for that shift .
I heard some were that when the stick gets the dice that they are trained to present the dice to the box man and then turn them so he can see that they have not been changed .Also notice that when they go off the table that they inspect them. All these things take time. But I think to get all those rolls in 1 hr. they must have been just flinging them and fast too.
Most of the place bets are made after the point is est. also your hard way bets if it is first roll.
Some hard way betters bet just the point number .
If after that 9 was rolled to est a point and the roller started rolling hard ways that roll would get real long in time I would guess .
I have been at tables were there has been a lot of discussion about hard ways pay offs . When a guy keeps adding to one bet during a long roll .
Was at a table were this come better would add the ones from his winning to his hard 10 bet every roll that he won a come bet on .
He got up to 35 on it and it hit . He said that he wished it happened last night when he got it up to 159.00 but it did en happen .
Some thing like this slows down the game even when its not being payed .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂