Time to convert that practice time to real $$$$$

GOOD LUCK on the journey

The Lion,

Are you in Colorado? If so we should meet.

OMC

No – I’m in Maryland getting ready for another shot of winter

Your practice schedule is awesome. I do about 15-30 minutes per night. I focus on hitting specific numbers…..setting for hardways, etc., ….& finding ways to hit winners on come-outs

With starting with the 7s set and have an SRR OF 12 IS GREAT . Just think what it would be if you did not set for 7 .Do you bet with chips during practice ?It seems you do get a lot of rolls in a short time .I have not timed my sessions so don’t know how many I roll per HR. But i do practice with chips .Also leave a lot of chips in way like on real table .
I just roll until I need to go some were or do some thing for wife .
I guess I should get a clock for my patio .I also turn on the radio some times .

The roll sheet that I use can record 180 rolls and I record all hard ways .field number .box numbers ,point wins 7s, and come out 7s . I too use 2 different dice so can record each one .Right die red left green .
My SRR IS LOW COMPARED TO YOURS . I start with a 66 on top with 55 facing me so get a lot of crap numbers . I still bet a world not a good GTC BET on come out .
At the bottom of my sheet I keep track of the numbers so at a glance I can see how the roll has been going .I use the roman way with this part seems to work better . Also started keeping track of tips and buy in . I think the dealers make more then me on short rolls . 🙁 🙁
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Finisher — I use a "YO" set with left die a 6/5 and right die a 5/6 …. i then turn them twice to set-up an ACE/Deuce …. that set is AWESOME if your shot is on. It will bring YO’s and Craps….and if you’re slightly off, it will generate a "7-winner" —- I ONLY use this set on come-out rolls (very important). That set also generates 4’s and 10’s, so it works fantastically if I’m trying to get the 4 or 10 set-up to hit the fire bet. Using that set gives me some winners on the come out and gives me some extra $$$ (HOUSE Money) to bet with. I use that set all the time on NON-fire bet tables. I have a different strategy on FIRE-bet tables.

OMC;

OMG, this is quite a work ethic you have with some serious data. Keep up the great work. Your dedication is commendable!

Only one thing I want to comment on: Both you and Finisher are trying to hit a number other than a box number on the come out, my preference to that would be to bet the box numbers on the come out and see if you can hit them.

Several reasons as to why I do this.
1) I am trained to hit those numbers.
2) If hit, the payout is better than the 7 which pays even money.
3) If hit, the tax is much lower than any of the World, C&E, Horn or any other combinations.
4) Most importantly for me is that I always want four bets working, so if I work the even numbers on the come out and hit a 6 as the point, now the 6 comes down and becomes the odds bet, and still have 4 bets up. If the 5 or 9 comes as the point, one of the outside bets has to be sacrificed and comes down, while the other moves to the "play-side" of either 5/9.

Certainly there is a risk of ruin if a 7 is rolled on the come-out and all bets loose, but, there is a line bet that covers one bet or 25% and I still have the dice. After all dont we all want to play at a table where we can get the dice right back after a 7? We do that in practice don’t we?

Pit Boss I have rolled 17 numbers one time before est a point number so it has been hard for me to change my old ways of betting .I liked those wins before getting started but it is not consistent .I am trying and it is a journey .Have changed a lot of other BAD habits to GTC ways that have helped me stay in the game longer .I don’t press my prop bets at all were some that are at table when I roll do .
After reading this post think I need to practice more .Will also keep track more with totals for year .
I am thinking of just starting with the hard way set with a dollar on any craps instead of the world for 5.00 .But for the 4.00 difference it does not seem worth it . Most people invest 2.00 on c/e .
Do you just make place bet .Hoping no crap number comes for a loss ?
Good Rolling.

Finisher when you get to the point where you do not make ANY prop bets you will find you can stay in the game even longer than you do now. Not pressing them is good, but not making them at all is best because they are sucker bets with a very high house advantage that is hard to overcome.

The best bets are pass line with odds, come bets with odds, place bets on the 6 and/or 8 and buy of the 4 and/or 10 if the vig is paid on the win only. That is all. It is a very simple formula.

I know there are exceptional circumstances like when you rolled a whole lot of numbers and never hit the 6 or 8. Then there is the time you mentioned where you rolled 17 times without throwing a point number. But those are not the normal situations. They are rare and should not be the examples you cite upon which you want to establish your betting strategy. If you choose a betting strategy based on events that rarely occur, that is how often you will win with that strategy (rarely)!

GTC has analyzed this from many angles by many instructors including several mathematicians for many years. In my opinion they know what is best when it comes to betting strategy. But it is your money and I certainly respect your right to do with it as you choose. However, you asked the question and I am just trying to answer it with my best advice.

We all have different betting styles, practice goals, $$ loss tolerance, etc. and that’s what makes us unique

Obviously, a player with a $10,000 bankroll plays different than one with a $1,000 bankroll

I don’t make prop bets UNLESS (and this is it) when I have an even number as my 5th or 6th point, I will make a hardway bet on that number to coincide with my lay bet on the don’t. ONLY on fire bet tables do I do this.

Skinny I think you are right . I am trying to get better at this it just takes awhile to break OLD habits .Even when they are bad ones .I remember when I took the class and 2 students came by and was telling the instructor how they have be doing .They told how they made so much on hard ways and the 11 and 12 .Parlays and such .
I thought to myself did-en they listen in class or what .I thought it is going to be hard to change every thing that has been going on for 30 yrs. But since I really never was much into prop bet thought that it would not be to hard .
I now eat 2 meals when in casinos and for the most part am at the craps table unless my spot is not open .Will not play if spot not open. That is one change . Another change is I play one game on others .That is either one come bet or place bet till win twice then either press or make one more bet .Even with GTC players that I have played with .
I wish I could play once a week.Then would not play so long . Some times I think I stay on tables to long .I only play about every 3 or 4 mouths that is on real craps table .
I look at it like I try playing as few games as possible and still make money .Pass line one game any box number another game so on .Prop bet should be last game to play.
This is a journey that I will be on for some time I hope .
Thanks for ALL YOUR HELP IN THE PAST AND IN THE FUTURE .
Good Rolling . 🙂 🙂

Gentlemen,

I do use chips in practice. I set for the 7 on the comeout because my success in this area is that around 40% of the time I can roll a 7 and I hop them and then press conservatively. I have thrown 5 in a row numerous times and it amounts to a tidy sum in the casino. Some practices I have thrown a 7 nearly 60% of the comeouts. The 6 appears around 25% of the comeouts for me in practice and sometimes at the casino too. I’m not sure why.

I play music (not too loud) during my practice to simulate casino noise. The recording of all of my info keeps me finely in tune as to how I am doing
and even helps to detect flaws. Some I can correct on my own and some not. I also track if one or both dice come up very short of the back wall. Sometimes one just lands flat and sticks and I think that that increases the possible 7 to 1 in 4 if my toss is on axis. It does seem that I get a double pitch that way often.

OMC

Finisher, One of the most important changes in the New GTC is the amount of time you spend on proper betting in class.
Where and why you do and don’t make a wager.
The primers I brought to class have found that this teaching alone has increased their time and profits at the dice table. Hope to meet you in a class this year.
TommyC

OMC—As times Rose and Doc leave he TV on when practicing to simulate a distraction similar to what you might have in the casino. If a Victoria’s Secret add comes on it is a big distraction for old Doc!!!!! I may be old but I am not blind. The TV on will get you out of your zone and help you to practice getting back into the zone. We do need to learn how to do this.

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Pit Boss,

I want to reference your post by telling you this. I set for the 7’s and hop them on the comeout. Many times I hit as many comeout 7’s as 7 outs so that means 2 or 3 or more 7’s on the comeout and I press each one as I hit them. Two hits is not all that uncommon and I do make a little extra this way. My friend who does not follow GTC betting very closely has been $60 each on me when I hit the 5th 7 in a row. He comes down with $960 plus the other wins which gives him $1100+ Overall I hit a 7 about 40% of the time so every ten rolls I net about $34.

I also think this is a good way to see how my toss looks to start with.

OMC