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Old Dice VS. New Dice??

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On a recent trip to a favorite casino, I noticed that after morning dealer shift change,
the old dice were exchanged for the 5 new ones.

Prior to to Dice change the dice were behaving nicely after the first bounce and touchdown. Lot of repeat numbers and points.

After the dice were changed, they reacted way different. They definitely grabbed the felt and died in a few inches. Same back swing and release. Resulted in the seven in three tosses.

Is this reaction happening to other players?

Can this be overcome ?

Should you avoid new dice?

ColorUp


Replies:

Posted by: Goldfinger on January 7, 2014, 1:29 am

Colorup,
Yes, Yes, and No.
You should practice with new dice, especially right before a casino trip. Casino dice are in play for 8
hours at maybe 80 to 100 throws per hour. If you practice with worn dice the new ones will
give you trouble. I use 2 sleeves of dice at a time and rotate a new pair after every hand.
The day before a casino trip I practice with new dice of the same size, color, and texture as the casino I am going to be playing at. Use your worn dice for warm-up and target shooting. Hope this helps.

Goldfinger

Posted by: The Breeze on January 7, 2014, 5:25 am

I certainly agree with Goldfinger and I would heed his advice. But I also think the table bounciness and cover material play a part in this situation. I think the condition of the dice makes a bigger impact if the cloth is polyester or the microfiber. And if you are not getting enough loft to your dice. All I can say is that medium height arc and low and slow on polyester or microfiber with sharp edge dice have been disastrous for me. They catch, snag whatever and get a life of their own if they don’t land just right. I have to remind myself of when I’ver heard Bob say to just let’em go like we’ve told you to.

Good Luck!

Posted by: Mr Finesse on January 7, 2014, 3:40 pm

The condition of the dice is important when we throw them. The casino’s change the dice 2 or 3 X’s per day depending and how busy they are and the shift changes. Most of the time we are playing with sharp dice in the casino and they do have an influence on the final outcome.

I always practice with sharp dice and I change them every 600 to 800 tosses. I use a sleeve of five and I change the entire sleeve. I also know the size and the color of the dice used by the casino I am going to play in, I use dice that are similar in my practice before I visit this casino. Also one of the casino’s I play in will use frosted dice occasionally and I will also practice with frosted dice if I know I will be playing there.

Also Richard just let them go, you are so correct. Trust the GTC throw!!!!!

I hope this helps everyone.

Posted by: ColorUp on January 8, 2014, 12:05 am

Thanks for the great information.

Will practice with some new dice from now on.

ColorUp

Posted by: SectionEight on January 8, 2014, 5:59 am

Love the new frosties!

SE

Posted by: Skinny on January 15, 2014, 3:35 am

You want to have new dice because they are easier to control than old dice. As you said the new dice will grab the felt more and that gives you a better breaking reaction to slow them down from hitting the back wall too hard. Old dice can react differently from each other because they are not worn out the same. Furthermore they can skip and slide instead of grabbing the felt which is what you want.

Posted by: brothelman on January 15, 2014, 3:58 am

Ponder this if you will.

With the old dice you seemed to get more action out of them more random, when they went to the new dice your dice started sitting down like they are suppose to you had the sevens.

Have you considered the position of your thumb may be off causing the one dice to over rotate but it only shows with the new dice because they are sitting down and a lot less random.

Posted by: Finisher on January 15, 2014, 5:09 am

Bman on my last trip I had a problem with to much spin with the result being a 7 . I noticed that the last time I saw you at the tables you seemed to have the same thing going on . Hope you could give me some insight on this problem or any others out there . Hope you had a great year and a better one this coming .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

Posted by: brothelman on January 15, 2014, 5:24 am

The last time I saw you at a table I let the box man get into my thoughts by making a stupid press, instead of going to 35 on the five I went to 36 which pays fifty but you are getting even money on the single dollar, and all he wanted to do is tell me how it was a east coast thing which I listened to losing my focus, and I got upset with myself.

Now as for spin to much does not cause sevens, all by its self, there are many factors to consider to much spin may cause a bounce that we do not want on certain table conditions but that is a very advanced thing, the table we where on will handle just about any shot as long as the dice are doing the same thing, lots of spin, a very little spin and so on
.

You have a tendency to flip your wrist which is a no no and it does cause large amounts of spin, you must learn to keep your wrist quite, the whole shot is from the shoulder with the large muscles.

Have a great new year.