GeneP Welcome to this great site . You will find that there a lot more that will read your posts then respond .It is just how life is .
So don’t feel bad if you post and it does not get any reply’s .
Have you tried throwing into sand to see how your dice are landing . Also may try gluing two together .
Most will tell you that it is hard to comment on a throw that you cant see .That you should take the class before you start to get bad habits .
It all depends on how long you have been throwing all ready I think.
If you have not played craps vary much that would work .But I played for 30 yrs or more before I took the class .One hint is that you should practice using the 3 finger grip.They teach that in class . I was using the 2 finger grip so it took most of 2 days to get into the way they teach .
Like most things it is only worth the money if you are willing to do as they teach and practice . They are all good instructors and try to answer all questions that you will have .
Hope you keep posting and find the help you are looking for .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

It appears that the dice are landing flat—this is, the dice are not landing on a corner or on edge. This can be a good thing as it is an indication that the dice are probably on axis. Landing flat can keep the dice from going side ways, going allover the place and taking more of the energy off of the dice. We are willing to bet you see some of your throws hit the back wall and die close to the back wall.

As finisher said, taking a class would definitely be a good decision for you. The sand in a cookie sheet or flat box will let you see the imprint of how the dice land.

We have posted before that the cost of the class is not an expense but an investment—in investment in your advantage playing future. We know of several people who will not take the class because they say it "costs too much." However they will buy in for $1000 many times during their playing sessions over a 4 day stay. Let’ say 4 sessions per day for 4 days would be a cumulative buy in of $16,000—a lot of money for the old Doc and Alligator Rose. That same person is probably using a betting spread of a minimum of $150 to $200 per roll.
And he or she is concerning about the cost of the class which probably less that 10% of his total exposure!!! Go figure.

Just a few thoughts. Hope to see you in class in 2014.

Alligator Rose and Doc

I use that type a throw here from time to time on a tub. if i have to throw
from SL1 and they are really watching you arm , i throw higher and when the dice
hit the table with some back spin they hardly hit the back wall at all, many times just the
rubber area below the aligator board or brushing the wall on the way down.

This is hard throw to make, and sometimes i have short rolls, but at this one casino
it is ok, they just call it a no roll.

gman

I recommend you read "Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution". It will explain why this may be happening or give some ideas. I personally just finished reading it. It gives wisdom/insight. I like the section about what to set on when you want to hit those 7’s. Rotation is important and the type of table.

Are you saying that the dice do nothing they just hit and dye right where they landed, never reaching the wall?

Dead cat bounce .Some call it .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

"brothelman" wrote: Are you saying that the dice do nothing they just hit and dye right where they landed, never reaching the wall?

yes rhats what happens

"Finisher" wrote: GeneP Welcome to this great site . You will find that there a lot more that will read your posts then respond .It is just how life is .
So don’t feel bad if you post and it does not get any reply’s .
Have you tried throwing into sand to see how your dice are landing . Also may try gluing two together .
Most will tell you that it is hard to comment on a throw that you cant see .That you should take the class before you start to get bad habits .
It all depends on how long you have been throwing all ready I think.
If you have not played craps vary much that would work .But I played for 30 yrs or more before I took the class .One hint is that you should practice using the 3 finger grip.They teach that in class . I was using the 2 finger grip so it took most of 2 days to get into the way they teach .
Like most things it is only worth the money if you are willing to do as they teach and practice . They are all good instructors and try to answer all questions that you will have .
Hope you keep posting and find the help you are looking for .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

Yes thats what I have been practicing last 3 months
thanks for other info

That’s what I hinted at by introducing the idea of a motor boat
some time ago on this site.
You know that on water a boat is like a cork floating, buffeted
to and fro and out of control if the boat is not under power,
pushed moving forward or wherever by the motor.
So as the boat will be under control when power is applied,
the dice must have some forward energy towards the backwall
to be under control, or else they will bounce and scatter according
their tilt, going back, forward, sideways, wherever.
Helter skelter.
So give the dice some forward energy.
You don’t want a ‘dead cat bounce’.

Do not learn that shoot all it will do is get you heat and lots of heat on top of lots of heat!!!!!!!!!!!!

The dice must bounce hit the wall and then stop but not until they hit the wall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bman is SO right about that shoot . They will asummmmmmeeee that you are not trying to hit the back period.