Well, I had a 40th reunion from High School this weekend. It was held at a golf resort about 20 minutes from AC. I met up with a few buddies that I had not seen in many years and we stayed in AC.
Lesson 1: Playing with old friends at a craps table, especially rowdy old friends reliving their days in high school, is not conducive to a profitable weekend. Rather than deal with the friends and trying to make a profit at the table, I just laid back. Took a non shooting position and 7 counted everyone. Shot once from Stick 3 just throwing and not setting dice with predictable results.
Lesson 2: Identify the one old friend who lives in LA, and frequents LV, who at least, understood the fundamentals of the game. Set a time to meet at the table and then try and turn a profit.
Had a good session with this one friend, who I knew from grammar school and high school. We had a decent session, where I was able to have 2 decent throws. 18 and a 25. Unfortunately, they were sandwiched by a point-7 and an 8. Even though, with 5 counting all others and conservative initial betting on my throws, I was able to turn a profit.
I had been having a tough time at practice with the hardway set and about 2 months ago, I switched to the 3V. I also started using the all-sevens on the initial come out.
My best rolls this weekend were where the come out produced a 6 or 8 and I then used the 3V. I hit many 6’s, but was never able to get over 2 points that first night. But the 25 featured 2 points made. (one six, one eight). I was not able to convert a 5. But the pounding of the six made me a good profit. I was betting only the six and eight with a take/press strategy, going up one unit each time. That first night turned a profit of $700. I hit 4 sevens in a row on the comeout and then a 6, using the all seven set. Then I switched to the 3V and had the 25 roll I told you about above hitting the six and eight for the point along with box numbers. I saw another GTC student from the last class in AC at another table. I was able to talk to him briefly after he colored up and was walking by on his way to cash out He said things were going well with what he had learned with GTC. He had a fistfull of chips. Purple, black, green. He said he had just had a good roll and was cashing out and going home. Good for him.
I used his success as inspiration for my own roll. That is the beauty of GTC: if one does it, another can using he same method of throwing and betting.
Next day before the reunion, I was able to play without my friends at a table with only 2 other shooters for my first throw. My friend from LA met me there. Being rested and confident, I had a good roll of 24. Followed by a 21. A guy I did not know was at SL2 and he threw the GTC way (or at least tried to) but he had no betting strategy. I colored up with a 1300 profit after 3 rolls. The guy who was there picked up some money on my rolls, but was in such a deep hole, it did not make a difference. He would bet all the numbers immediately after the point was established on the come out. This was at a $25 table. He was down before I came. He Picked up a few bucks and stayed when I left. When I returned to play 6 hours later, he was still at the table and was down big (according to him). No recovery was possible at that time since he was so far down.(His words, yet he was still at the table playing!)
Which, leads me to LESSON 3: Leave the table after 3 rolls, whether you win or lose during those rolls. Take a break. Go to the outlets, take a walk on the boardwalk, have lunch….but walk away. That guy did not, and he paid the price. By the way, it turns out that the guy read one of the books and never took a class and never learned betting strategy. Which leads me to
LESSON 4: Read the book, AND take the class. IMHO, you need both to learn throwing and betting.
More to follow on the day after the reunion.
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Posted by: Timmer on September 23, 2013, 4:49 pm
Thanks for the report.
😎 😎 😎
Posted by: Raging Baritone on September 23, 2013, 11:59 pm
Posted by: Scan on September 24, 2013, 10:06 am
Posted by: GameDay on September 24, 2013, 12:23 pm
Grew up in Castleton Corners.
Farrell, 1973.
Live in Richmondtown now.
Ever come to SI?
Give me a shout out.
Small world sometimes.
Nice to know you have that NY attitude in you.
GameDay
Posted by: GameDay on September 24, 2013, 6:48 pm
My high school reunion left me tired. I was not able to make a morning session.
After brunch and a walk on the boardwalk with the Mrs., I went to the tables.
The only spots open were at a couple of $25 minimum tables. I have found over time that such tables can be very good as there are less people at the tables and the horn/hardway play is much less at these tables which helps in getting the dice back quickly when shooting, therefore easier to stay in rhythm and also the dice come back quicker to you since there are less people at the table. Makes for a quicker, more efficient, rhythmic session. Of course, you have to be extra sharp with the 5 count and betting strategy as the money can go very quick.
I got SL1 and had a very good shoot. I did not count, but it had to be in the high 20’s. I made 3 points. The dice went around and a RR had a decent roll for which I caught a portion and made a few dollars.
The dice came back to me and the dealers were "advising" me to make a fire bet. I do not bet it. I have never made it and I have never seen anyone make it. The dealers were insistant, but I held my ground. I told the dealer that I did not play it and why. She said too bad, because I was a shooter who could do it. I told her no but that I would be rooting for the other guys who did bet it to make it, and I would try for them even though I do not bet it.
I had a very good roll. About 33, give or take a few that I may have missed. And I made 4 points. So there was a payout to those that played. At the end, she said I should have listened to her and I said "You are right, sometimes I am just so stubborn". What I did not say is that it meant nothing to me that I did not bet it and that I was very happy I could help the other shooters make some of the money back they wasted over the years playing that darn fire bet.
I made a good profit, not great, but good and within my range and risk taking. I was up before this session and I had a strict betting strategy with some regression. I did not want to lose back what I had won earlier. So, I could have won more, but I was very satisfied anyway.
However, the guy at the end of the table went to town on me. After the roll we both colored up. At the cashier, he acknowledged my roll and thanked me for helping him make money. He said he was down 3000 before I rolled and now he was up almost 5000. Now I didn’t win anywhere near that but I was very happy I could help him and told him so. Next thing I know, he gives me his card. He says to me, " I see you practice"…."Its paying off and your throw looked great". I just smiled back. He said he was in the gaming industry and gave me his card. He owns a casino travel company and told me to contact him next time I wanted to come to AC or any other place. I know he was promoting his business, but it sure felt good to have someone confirm that the throw was working that day and thank me for helping him make some money.
I had a concert to attend that evening, so I did not get to play again that day.
I ended up making a profit for the trip, seeing my old friends from high school, saw my throw working well, got comped for room and some dining, saw a great concert and had a great time. Some days it just all works according to Hoyle. This was one of them: A day when the GTC throw and betting were working perfectly.
Posted by: Dominator on September 25, 2013, 12:49 pm
Don’t know about that regression thing that you mentioned in your follow up. Remember if you are playing with an edge, and I know you are, then regression will cost you money. On that roll it probably did!
Dominator
Posted by: GameDay on September 25, 2013, 1:22 pm
I was come betting and place betting on the 6 & 8. . I made 3 come bets. If they all went to 3 different numbers, then I would stop and wait for a hit and then take the bet and the win and stay at two come bets for 2 rolls. If I hit a come bet, I would immediately put up another come bet and then stay at 2 come bets. In addition, I had my usual 6&8 place bets. On the first hit, I took the win. I then full pressed the second hit. If one of my come bets went up to the 6 or 8, I kept both the come with full odds and the place bet. After the come bet hit, I kept the place bet up but only took the win and then pressed one unit at a time instead of full press.
It did cost me some money, but the betting kept me focused on the game and I did not get nervous about how much I had up on a number. In other words, the money bet never entered my thought process when throwing. Sometimes when I have too much on the table it makes me "think too hard" about the throw and not "just let it happen, and trust the throw".
Does any of this make sense to you or others?
In any event, I did win this way and I can tell you that I was in a damn good place when throwing. There was a moment when I was on the 4 point roll, when I said to myself while setting up the dice: "Damn, I have never felt this good". The table seemed to shrink right before my eyes. The dice were so clear to me in the air that I felt I could see the number in the air that was going to come out. It was just a great feeling. And it translated to the table. I felt as if everything we work for, practice for and hope for just came together at the same time.
Posted by: The WoW Man on September 25, 2013, 7:30 pm
Thanks for the trip report. I can relate to thinking too much when I have a lot of money in play. Especially if I’m in the hole from the start.
I have not heard the expression, " according to Hoyle " in a long, long time.
Once again thanks.
Catch you later!
Posted by: GameDay on September 25, 2013, 8:09 pm
I know what you mean.
It is so easy to over-concentrate when you are not comfortable with what you have on the table. On this occasion, I knew the throw was good. I had previously had decent results. So I did over-bet this time. Once I had the 3 come bets up, with full odds, I started to over-think the throw. This is dangerous. Previously, I was just doing what I do at practice. Nice, easy, slow and low—-without even thinking about it. So once the come bet hit, I did not replace it. I just left 2 come bets up. And didn’t replace until I hit another come bet so there were times I only had one come bet up on a number, but most times it was 2 come bets.
Thanks for the response. At least I know I am not alone in feeling this way.
As for the "according to Hoyle", my dad used to say it. He would be 92 years old now. I am a younger version at 57.
Other than me saying it, the last time I heard it was when my dad was still hitting the tables back around the turn of the last century (2000).
Seems like so long ago.
Regards, GameDay
Posted by: DoughBoy on September 26, 2013, 8:38 pm