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A few thoughts on practice

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Alligator Rose and Doc have been spending a lot of time at the home craps table getting ready for a couple of trips and the October class. We just wanted to share with members of this board some thoughts on ideas of how to practice.

1. It is good to have someone you can practice with? ABCOLUTELY!!! But you do need someone with a good eye who can make some suggestions. We are lucky in that we have each other and it really helps. Old Doc has figures out why Rose watches him so close. She thinks that the money he wagers is half hers!!! Just kidding. If you don’t have someone ask on this board by telling generally where you live–such things as "anyone in Missouri or in Central Texas." You get the idea.

2. Throw into a bowl. We have a 5 inch diameter piece of PVC pipe joint connector that we lined with thick felt that works great. It helps in targeting. A great item to use while you warm up.

3. I have some mailing labels with some "stick ’em" on the one side that I can place on the felt as a target area. It doesn’t slip around yet doesn’t hurt the felt. Again a great warm up.

4. A second idea is to place an 8 1/2 by 11 inch piece of paper in the landing area and get the dice to land on the paper, bounce back and stop on the paper as well. A hard thing to do but it can make you really work on hitting the landing area and make the dice have a dead bounce.

5. Use Timmer’s idea of "how to make money without setting the dice." The idea here is not to worry about the results of the dice but to concentrate on the reaction of the dice as they fly through the air, bounce on the table, hit the back wall and stop.

6. Our favorite is to place a mirror in the end of your craps table or practice rig receiving station. Set the mirror at an angle so that you can see your hand and arm during the entire swing. For the purpose of this drill we don’t target the landing area but concentrate looking in the mirror to see the entire swing. You can tell if your back swing is coming inside (a common misstate), if the forward swing is straight, and if you have good release. Many students have a tendency to flick their fingers or release the dice with the fingers at an angle causing the dice to bounce left or right. You can really tell a lot with this technique. The mirror can be a very inexpensive purchase at Target or Home Depot.

7. You do need nee to work with chips so that you can work on your betting techniques and know how to press. At least once a week we play with chips making the presses we need to make and a 7 does not count. Why?? You need to know your moves in betting and pressing when you get into a long roll where you may well be betting higher amounts than usual.

8. Lastly and most important work on your grip–A LOT. If you don’t have the proper grip and your throwing technique is perfect you are in trouble.

We have rambled on long enough but you get the idea. Hope these ideas will be value to you.

Alligator Rose and Doc


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Posted by: getagrip on August 26, 2013, 4:52 pm

Great list Doc!

I’ll add something I do regarding suggestion number 5. This is just something I have started doing in the last couple of months and it has worked pretty well for me. I put a terry cloth hand towel down on my receiving station. Since I use dark dice I put down a light colored towel as it helps me see the dice better when they land. I use this with my brick dice as well as regular dice. For this drill the numbers don’t matter. How the dice land and what they do just after they land in regards to how they proceed to the wall is my main reason for this drill. Since I have the towel I know my numbers won’t really be true. Therefore I can forget about the actual outcome and recording the results and actually practice hitting the landing spot and getting my dice to land flat.

I’m sure this isn’t the only way to accomplish this practice item but it has worked well for me so thought I would share it.

Thanks!

Posted by: Greenskeeper on August 26, 2013, 10:52 pm

Great topic Doc
I’m actually working on most of the tips you mentioned including heading over to Tommy 2 Names place if not every week every other week.
I love to practice and I do so every day. My throw is getting better with time.
My biggest challenge though is my fingers at realese. I actually started gluing my fingers together and that seems to work. No not crazy glue.
Looking forward to our trip next month.
Thanks again.

Posted by: Dr Crapology on August 26, 2013, 11:10 pm

Ron, have you tried the Dice Pilot Trick? Place a small piece of a flat toothpick between the knuckles of the first and middle finger as well as your middle finger and ring finger. Make sure you hold the toothpicks in position through out the throw but particularly at release. You can’t flick your fingers and keep the toothpicks in place.

If anybody has other ideas, please do share. This could be a great thread.

Doc and Alligator Rose

Posted by: Mr Finesse on August 26, 2013, 11:27 pm

To quote Alan Iverson, who could have been one of the greatest NBA players ever if he only Practiced, Practiced, Practiced.

Practice, practice, practice

This is what our game is all about. We must practice all aspects of it including the Grip. Did I say Grip? Yes I did Grip, Grip, Grip.

Oh and Target shooting also but remember you must have the correct grip to become a target shooter.[/b]

Posted by: TommyC on August 27, 2013, 1:36 am

Great info.
Grip, Grip, Grip
Mr Finness You never let us have any fun.
😆 😆 😆

Posted by: Skinny on August 27, 2013, 2:04 am

"TommyC" wrote: You never let us have any fun.

Posted by: Mr Finesse on August 27, 2013, 2:32 am

As Skinny said, isn’t winning more fun !!! 😀 😀 😀

Posted by: Greenskeeper on August 27, 2013, 4:45 am

What can I say….. Awesome!

Posted by: brothelman on August 27, 2013, 6:04 am

There is the aluminum foil trick put it in your landing zone it will tell you if your dice are landing flat, square or on there points.

There is also dice pilots trick a sand box use silicone sand in a ten by ten Tupperware tub put it in your landing zone when the dice hit it they should stop the way they where flying and you can tell if they are rotating together, at and angle, on in front of the other.

The brick aka the two dice glued together try and throw two dice that are glued together and keep them from fluttering or wobbling will in progress down the table.

Also while you are sitting at your desk or watching TV pick up a pair of dice the slowly loosen your grip to the point to where they fall out, they should fall out together if they do not come out together either your thumb or you middle finger is off center.

Take days and practice only one thing until you get it down then add another aspect the next day and so on until you get your routine down.

Take days and practice only trying to feel the dice leave your hand or pull out of it this is very important.

Posted by: DoughBoy on August 27, 2013, 1:29 pm

These are all very helpful. Thanks for the generosity. It brings all of us a step closer. DoughBoy

Posted by: SevenTimesSeven on August 27, 2013, 2:37 pm

"Dr Crapology" wrote: Alligator Rose and Doc have been spending a lot of time at the home craps table getting ready for a couple of trips and the October class. We just wanted to share with members of this board some thoughts on ideas of how to practice.
…..
5. Use Timmer’s idea of "how to make money without setting the dice." The idea here is not to worry about the results of the dice but to concentrate on the reaction of the dice as they fly through the air, bounce on the table, hit the back wall and stop.
…..
Alligator Rose and Doc

It’s a thread like this that I enjoy and look forward to learn from, since after taking the Primer,
Refresher and Video I still find that I’m struggling.
At the casino I have the occasional long throw (20+?) but many short ones, just like any randy.
In a practice session at home it’s very heartening when I have an SRR of 10+ in 60 throws,
BUT it’s very discouraging when I see successive sevens, and the numerous below 6 SRR in 60 throws.
So I’m now concentrating on looking at the behavior of the dice in the air as in Doc’s #5 quoted,
and I know that this is what Dom stressed. Agree this is the ONE to watch for?
A ‘good in the air’ result would mean all other factors were in place?
I figure as long as the dice look ‘good in the air’ that should be as good as you can expect to do
on any table anywhere, regardless of conditions. So now it comes down to what does
‘good in the air’ means. …
…. a together dice, side by side, FIRST THING. Who has done this fairly consistently, honestly?
How do you achieve this? Are you consistent? Does practice mean making changes until
you achieve this? All the while swinging straight, softly, with backspin, on axis, with
good grip, etc, etc. These other factors to be discussed again, over and over.

Posted by: brothelman on August 27, 2013, 4:38 pm

Take and glue a pair of dice together and see how they fly that will give you a good indicator of where you are at in the air.

Use the aluminum foil trick to see how they land.

Never judge your srr with anything less than a 1000 throws

Posted by: SevenTimesSeven on August 27, 2013, 5:53 pm

So, will anyone on this board say they DO throw a TOGETHER dice?
Even over half the time? Without the glue or tape, LOL
Is this a valid question?

Posted by: brothelman on August 27, 2013, 10:32 pm

do you want help with what you need or hear people pat themselves on the back?

I guarantee you there are people out there with srr of more than9

Posted by: Dominator on August 28, 2013, 3:09 pm

Great points. Just to add, don’t try too many things in one practice session. break your practice session down and work on one aspect of your throw over and over again.

And yes, some of us do have an SRR over 9

Dominator

Posted by: SevenTimesSeven on September 2, 2013, 8:53 pm

I’m disappointed that there are not many questions/answers/agreements/disagreements
coming out of this post. It sure did look promising, full of seeds for challenges and thoughts
to stimulate offerings for our education in this journey of ours.
Oh well. What you see is what you get. .. sigh.

Posted by: Finisher on September 2, 2013, 11:29 pm

If you do the 10 by 10 sand box thing you could divide it into 2 or 3 sections. That could simulate chips in your way . Try dividing it in half then a 3rd . At the end you will see the difference in each throw . Using 2 different color dice may help.
Good Rolling.

Posted by: Finisher on September 2, 2013, 11:55 pm

STS There have been 185 views of this post not bad.
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

Posted by: Finisher on February 20, 2015, 4:06 am

7×7 Have you read this post ?

Posted by: Finisher on February 20, 2015, 10:26 pm

Opps you posted on it but I guess you forgot what Bman posted about the glued dice . He gives a lot of good info when he does .Maybe you missed that part . That is a good reason to some times bringing back an old post will refresh are memories a little .I for one fogot that I posted on that post and what it was all about . But did find it to tell you what you were asking about .
I hope that I did-en get you upset by bringing it back some may not have read it .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Posted by: SevenTimesSeven on February 21, 2015, 4:43 pm

Finisher,
Thanks. Was good to read old post as a reminder.
7×7