It is very difficult to evaluate a table with out seeing it. there are many factors one must consider and look at.

Try to play on a table that you know how it will react to your toss.

Why would you play several different tables? With all things being equal chose the table you like best. Play there and learn that table. Landing zone, bounce, and the crew. It takes a lot less time to get tuned in on tables you know. I played 3 different casinos for some time before learning I am better off playing 1 for the reasons stated above. the place I play now only has 2 tables. I have found even though they both look the same they play different. Tables even within the same casino are different so use good records to narrow down the table you do the best on. Chances are there is a reason you do better on it.

JRC

I am new to craps and played different casinos to see which tables I like and their characteristics. Thanks for the feedback. I wanted to know if shooters avoid tables or make adjustments.

I think you should re visit your notes from class.

Have you made enuff practice throws to have charted 1000 plus to know that you have and edge and should be in the casino.

You no if you have not achieved a edge yet it will not ;matter what you play on and where you play because your throw is not ready for the game.

Take your time do not frustrate yourself like RG3 is doing by not listening to the experts they invested a lot of time into you trying to give you and advantage.

I can’t speak for anyone else but I won’t play on tables That are not conducive to our style of play. Trust me it cost a lot of money before that simple idea got through my hard head. Skip the losses, play the tables that are best for your shot. The toss is only a part of the total picture.

JRC

"JRC" wrote: I can’t speak for anyone else but I won’t play on tables That are not conducive to our style of play. Trust me it cost a lot of money before that simple idea got through my hard head. Skip the losses, play the tables that are best for your shot. The toss is only a part of the total picture.

JRC

How do you differentiate without first playing the table. While I prefer felt over micro, I have found micro covered table that are playable.

Here’s a gentle reminder that our GTC board policy is that table conditions, "preferred" characteristics, types of layouts, etc., should NOT be discussed in posts.

Regardless if done in specific or general terms, and regardless of what is discussed elsewhere, it doesn’t matter. Just don’t post about these things. Don’t take the chance of having your well-intentioned post being pulled for violating GTC board policy.

The simple solution is to discuss these things privately.

Further, the same applies to using casino names in posts. This also includes "hinting" at the casino’s name, such as "the waterfall place" or "the place where [insert name here] restaurant is located.

Again, the solution is to simply discuss privately.

But the fact is, doing so is somewhat meaningless to begin with.

The table and/or table conditions that one person likes and does well at may be considered lousy by someone else. Your "great" table may be not at all suited to another’s skill level or preferred shot.

Frequently, a person’s new "it’s the best-est table ever!" is the table they happened to have their last decent roll on, regardless of the table’s actual conditions.

Craps table layouts eventually wear out and need replacing. Your favorite table may fall out of favor once the layout is replaced with something new or different.

For these reasons, it is usually best to go and find these things out for yourself rather than relying on someone else’s opinion.

Lastly, there is no one "GTC shot." Primer students are taught the fundementals of the grip and the basic mechanics of the controlled throw. Refresher students have additional skills and refinement added to this Primer foundation. The skill-set of Refresher graduates is expanded even further in the Advanced classes with specific techniques, shots and grip changes needed to play with an edge under various table conditions.

Just like what is done by the "best of the best" pro golfers, baseball players and other athletes, ongoing critique and training is available thorough GTC’s Tune-Ups and the powerful Elite Video Analysis.

Success with this "thing of ours" is all about expanding your skill-set and refining through dedicated and purposeful practice. The person with the most bullets in their holster usually wins…

The end result is a winning GTC graduate able to adapt their shot to play with an edge under varying conditions and at "different" tables and a cadre of GTC instructors who are proud of the success of their students!

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"Timmer" wrote:
Regardless if done in specific or general terms, and regardless of what is discussed elsewhere, it doesn’t matter. Just don’t post about these things. Don’t take the chance of having your well-intentioned post being pulled for violating GTC board policy.

I don’t understand, where in any of this discussion did anyone venture off to the Verboten.

If I understand correctly even General discussion, according to this statement, is forbidden. How are we to carry on any type of conversation if generalities are no longer proper.

Hello StephenC,

What I offered was a gentle reminder intended to be helpful to all, including our newer board members. It was not intended to single out any person or post.

Here is an excerpt from an excellent article about posting guidelines written by Billy the Kid. The complete article can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8

F.] Please by all means post trip reports. Tell everyone how great a time you had. Tell us about your favorite restaurants and your great rolls. We don’t need to know where your great rolls happened or what conditions created those rolls or other good fortune.

G.] This brings us to another problem. Everyone wants to know where to play, where the great places are and where to meet you to play.

As you progress from CF to well worn casino killer you will learn things about casinos and what it takes for you to be a winner.

You must network with others to further your education.

You must make friends with others and SHARE information. Never give information about casinos or yourself to people that are not known to you.

Your net working starts at the GTC dice control class. Start making friends there and those friendships will continue to grow and help you progress your knowledge and skill.

Related information can also be found in Dominator’s 20 Commandments Of Dice Control.

Agree or disagree, it’s all good! Maybe others will chime in on topic…

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I think the slight violation came from reference to types of layouts prefered. We really should be very careful with any discussion of likes and dislikes. We don’t know who has a paid membership here just to be able to use the information against us. As to the question of knowing the tables without playing them. Well of course you can’t. I have found one session, win or lose is enough to decide if the table is playable for me or not. If it is I will play there again. If not the place is scratched from the list of places I play. Do not keep returning to a place because it closest, gives the best comps, or any other reason except the table is playable for your shot. When it comes to risking your money nothing else mtters.

JRC

You are all putting the horse before the cart.

If he doesn’t know what his shot will do and how to change it, it does not matter where he plays.

If he has ;not established that he has an advantage at the table by charting 1000 plus throws at home during practice and seeing the srr above 6.5 it does not matter his throw is no better than random.

Striker find someone around you that has played and understands the game get him or her to take you around and teach you about the different types of tables and how to play them, you must see it to understand what it is.

Timmer is right though there was things mentioned that we do not like to discuss openly on this site, but he did not chastise anyone for doing it he just kindly reminded everyone of the does and don’ts which is something that has to be done from time to time for everyone sanity.

Striker come to Vegas I will take you around and explain what is what about playing conditions and how we play the game.

I agree that one cannot give any indication as to what casino they are referring to, not even a vague veiled description of any amennities at the property.

Banning general talk about table conditions i.e. felt vs microfiber, length of tables, rail height etc. seems counter productive to what the board promotes, which is a discussion of craps.

I understand the need to be under the radar. No matter, the minute you pick up the dice and throw in the GTC manner you are no longer under the radar. It depends on how you fend off the comments as to how much ado will be made about your toss.

No matter how much you like a particular casino you have to regulate yourself on playing at that property. You need to play on different shifts and at different times. I know because we have been given so much heat at 2 particular casinos because we constistantly won there. Problem was we always played there at the same time of day. The last time we were at one of them the pit boss came over to us before we threw and said "We can’t have you miss the wall, NOT EVEN ONCE." We don’t miss the wall but occassionally, and I have thrown with a lot of GTCers and everyone misses the wall once in a while. You hit a chip and die goes sideways, there is so much humidity in the air that you realese the dice funny. You name it anything can happen and does.

Don’t be afraid to discuss craps on this site, just follow the rules about not being specific as to a property.
Clark