I love to play with don’t players. They always pass the dice so I get to shoot faster. Even when they take the dice and shoot, they will usually hold them for only one point. If they make their point they pass the dice.

But if it bothers you playing with don’t players then you should not stay at the table with them. It will get into your head and throw off your game.

I don’t care how they bet. It is their money and they can do with it whatever they want. My opponent is the house and that is all I focus on beating.

PLAY YOUR GAME …
But you said that it was 2am and how long have you been playing . Were you ready for a roll that would change those DP LAYERS To your side ?
Remember they can make money on your roll too. It just takes making a few come out 7s when they are up on a few numbers , The new game could be to see on many points made to change their betting. That could be interesting .
Some will change right away while others will hold off betting . While others yell for the 7 and get mad .
I have seen some DP players have long rolls . It just happens .
I hope you changed their betting and that you ALL made $$$$$.
Good Rolling. 😀 😀 😀

I usually smile and politely warn them that they may not be doing the best thing. That usually gets a friendly banter going which lightens up the atmosphere. Win or lose everyone has a good chuckle.

I must say I agree with Skinny, the Don’t betters don’t bother me, I am playing against the house. But I must say I like it when thay stop betting because I am the cause of their losses.

if you are confortable with your throw, just go ahead and
play. If you are sure that you have an advantage, their being
on the table should not impact you.

The best roll i ever had was at O-shea’s in vegas on the middle 12
foot table. I walked up to the table and a guy was rather loud and
he had i guess a couple of thousand in his rack and he was playing the
donts.
I got the dice and on my last roll he was taking a wrinkled $5 bill out
of his pocket to bet it. He won that one, but the rest was gone.
Now i dont wish to make anyone lose money…. but still felt damn
good.

gman

This post got me thinking about some of my experiences with don’t players which I would like to share with everyone because I think it might be instructive and informative.

I once had a don’t player standing next to me with whom I got into a conversation after we played together for a while. I asked him if he always played the don’t and why he liked to play that way? He said he used to play the do all the time and then got hooked on playing the don’t. It seemed to him that he lost his money much slower on the don’t than on the do. If he had several don’t bets on the table (don’t pass and don’t come) it would take a number of rolls for him to lose all the bets because each number would have to be hit by the shooter. But on a seven he would win all his bets at once. It is the exact opposite of the do side where a seven out is painful and it takes a while to hit your numbers if you have several bets on the table. He understood about the house edge and realized he was playing against approximately the same disadvantage on the don’t as on the do. He felt more comfortable on the don’t because of his perception as I just described. Even though he knew mathematically it did not make any difference, it felt to him that he could hold onto his money longer on the don’t.

I asked how he was doing in our session. He was losing at the time and so was I. I pointed out that even though we were playing opposite strategies, the house was still beating both of us at the time. Although I was not losing very much because the five count was saving me. But the table was choppy up to that point and I had not had any great rolls yet.

It turned out this was a very nice guy. He was careful not to be obvious with his bets because he knew many players did not like don’t players. He was low keyed when he won, did not show any emotion on a seven out. In fact, he said I was the first do player that ever spoke civilly to him. Most either curse him out or ignore him with open disdain. He said he would not bet when I shot if his playing the don’t bothered me. I told him I did not care how he bet, I was only concerned with my bets and how I was doing.

I did get on a decent roll later and after knocking down several of his bets, he stopped betting on that roll. The next time I got the dice, he switched to the do and I had an even better hand. We were both happy with the results.

Bottom line is he was playing this way because in his mind it was the best way for him to play. It was not an adversarial position with the other players. He had no animosity towards anyone. He just liked to play that way.

Then there is another guy whom the Goddess and I know quite well. He has played with us on numerous occasions and has seen us at our best and worst. He knows we are GTC and understands what we are trying to do and are capable of doing. He usually bets the don’t and often does so even when we are rolling. But he tries to see how we are shooting and if he thinks we are on, he switches to the do when we throw. He likes to play at the end of the table, straight out. His chips would be right in our landing zone. But he will protect our landing zone by keeping his chips out of our way even if he is playing the don’t. He will even move other players’ chips to keep our landing zone open. Once again, there is no adversarial position here. He is only betting the way he thinks he has the best chance to win.

Even though he knows we are capable of doing very well, he still bets the don’t at first on us because he likes to play that way. But it does not take much for him to switch when we are shooting because he does know what we can do.

Of course I have also met some obnoxious don’t players as well. The kind that root for the seven or throw out an any seven wager in the middle of a roll very loudly, so they can say the word seven. I will usually leave if they start to get into my head.

I guess I am trying to say you can not judge a player by his bets. Some don’t players are fine and other are not.

I agree, DP wouldn’t really bother me, they aren’t the ones giving me chips. but if you want to have fun, I’d say to them, "raise your bets, son" and then just keep hitting your numbers. lol. maybe they’ll then change their minds.

Wow. I just love these little vignettes that happen at the table. And I love to compare what each of us do in certain situations. So much of what we do is scripted and I find it adds to the game when a situation like this comes up.
I had never been at a table where I was the only pass line player.
I must admit, I did find it unnerving. So much so, that I passed the dice to the dont player. He passed to the other donts. They passed. And it was back to me. It was comical and now I had another decision. I passed again. The dice were passed around and it was back to me.
It felt like that scene from "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly". The music was in my head!!
This time the dont picked up the dice and promptly crapped out. Win for him, nothing for me as I was 5 counting anyway.
The other donts picked up the dice too and one crapped out but the last guy made a point and I made a few bucks on him as they allowed a pass line with odds after the point was made.
I then felt comfortable to throw and picked up the dice. Had a decent throw with 2 points made and a few 6 and 8’s. A money maker for me. The good part was the donts left the table. Eventually other players came to the table and the little odd moment was over.

I appreciate all your responses. And I will strive to be comfortable in that situation next time. But I did have an interesting moment at the table, totally unscripted, that brought a smile to my lips.

Thanks all for your great advice and stories.

I still remember a time in Northwest Louisiana when a don’t player dressed like a cowboy with the 10 gallon hat, cowboy shirt, jeans and of course boots–he probably had over $10,000 in his hat.. He bought in for $10,000. He pulled up a chair to settle in with hopes of winning all sorts of money betting on the don’t. His standard bet was $100 on the don’t pass line and/or $100 come bets and he would lay a bunch of odds—this casino had 100 times odds but he did not always lay the max. The beautiful Alligator Rose got the dice and begin to roll. He started out laying $1000 in odds (he could lay $10,000 in odds but choose not to).

Rose got on a hot roll picking off his numbers one by one. He would have an off and on working from the don’t come. Remember when she hits a number with his don’t bet, he loses the bet and his new don’t come bet goes to that same number. He would often double his odds on each loss–sort of a Martingale. He was at the end of the table to Rose’s back and she was focused and did not see how he was doing. He did not bother her. Every time he lost he would double his odds and eventually got a marker for $10,000 more. She did eventually 7 out. He never seemed to get the message as he kept a constant don’t come bet and I do believe he lost over 15 grand. We left the table after her 7 out but I have no idea as to how he ended up.

It was interesting to watch him as he never showed any emotion.

These are great stories.

Doc

While playing at CCBH with OMC A while back we had a don’t bettor making money when we couldn’t make the five count. I finally started a good roll and after the five count I heard him say "hop the seven for 30".
I threw and knocked down his 4 don’t come with odds. Then I hear "hop the seven for 60" I knocked him off his 8. Then it was a 90 dollar hop. He kept at it all the way to table max which is a 300 dollar hop of the seven. I threw a yo and when I looked up He was gone. I made good money on that roll but the warm feeling inside of me was from sending him packing.

Goldfinger

Love this story. I know it is not supposed to be an adversarial relationship with do’s and don’ts but there is a natural rivalry at play here. GF I understand your feelings completely.Good rolling. There is nothing like sending a don’t packing.

We always expect a good story from Goldfinger. He has an excellent throw. We wlook forward to seeing him next week.

Doc and Alligator Rose

GF, I remember that day. One of the dealers told us after the don’t left that he usually made a lot of money but dropped 3G’s that day. Does warm your heart doesn’t it?

OMC