As I learned when I went to AC you can watch the pro’s do it all day long but until they tell you what your doing wrong its a crap shoot. But if I had to guess of what your missing is the angle that the dice are landing and the speed of your throw.

The table could be too bouncy but don’t know without seeing it. Where did you get your practice rig? Is it GTC, something you purchased off the internet, or did you build it yourself? We not have a craps table but the practice I built before that I made one myself.

Here is an idea. Purchase a piece of plywood and cut it to the exact same size as the landing portion of the practice rig. A 1/2 inch thick piece of plywood should do just fine. Fasten it to the underside of the receiving portion of the practice rig and reattach the legs. This will add some firmness to your landing area. The only draw back is the fact that when you move it, it may be heavier but not much. This could be an inexpensive solution.

If you are really serious about this GTC advantage play concept (and you give all indications you are) take the class as soon as possible. You don’t want to have too many small flaws in your throw to correct. It is easier to learn something from scratch that it is to break a bad habit. We have been there and done that.

Just a few idle thoughts. Hope they help.

Hope to see you in the casino (or a class) soon.

Alligator Rose and Doc

I’ll keep practicing my throw to try to get the speed and angle better.
As for my rig, I bought it off of the Internet but its not a gtc. It’s just a small portable rig. I’m probably going to buy one of the gtc practice tables for my office soon. I think it would be good stress relief and I can practice at the same time. I definitely want to take a gtc class. I’ve just got to get it worked in to my schedule somehow. I’ve seen Dom throw on video and I keep trying to get that effect where the dice just die after they hit the wall but it seems to be incredibly difficult and frustrating trying to learn it. Of course, I’ve always enjoyed sports and every athletic skill takes practice to perfect. I’m going to keep trying. Thanks for all the advice!

let me throw something in. You say that you have a gentle toss, and so many people try to make their toss gentle. This might actually be the problem!

I like to say to "Trust the GTC throw". And what I mean by that is that the throw has all the components in it to make the toss gentle. You do need some energy in the toss … sometime missing the rig that you have tells me that you don’t have enough energy in the toss. Reach out for the box and throw the dice! Use the grip and toss in the book. Try a little more energy on the toss by just increasing your backswing just a couple of inches.

Let us know!

Dominator

Hi!

Just a reminder that the whole arm swing motion and reach to the receiving station target needs to be from the Shoulder.

I think lots of times when we are trying to throw softer that we have a tendency to short arm the toss. Short arming doesn’t work in any sport toss and it doesn’t work with the dice toss either. This was something I had to really work to overcome when I started tossing the dice.

Hope this helps!

Dom is right on with his advice. I was thinking the same thing when I read your post. Another thought that came to my mind was, do you have enough arc in your toss? On a normal table, the dice should be going up and down at a 45 degree angle. If you do not have enough of an arc in your toss they will hit the table and bounce off the back wall with too much energy.

So relax, toss them naturally with enough energy and an arc to land them in an area approximately 3 to 6 inches from the back wall.

Fantastic advice you guys! I just threw a few times and focused on my arm swing and the angle, and I didn’t worry about how hard I was throwing it (just aiming to land it 3 to 6 inches from the wall)….the difference was drastic!!!!! I know I’m not ready to take on the casino, but my frustration has been replaced with new belief!!! Craps is so much more fun than counting cards at the blackjack table, and I’m excited to know that with practice I can actually get an advantage at the game! Thank you so much for the advice!

That is great to hear lococraps. I love it when folks improve their toss.

I also agree with you that

"lococraps" wrote: Craps is so much more fun than counting cards at the blackjack table, and I’m excited to know that with practice I can actually get an advantage at the game!

Normally I would not say this because I don’t want to sound like a commercial. But in your case, I get the impression you are really serious about learning to do this properly and becoming an advantage player. If that is true, I urge you to get to a class as soon as you possibly can. There is only so much you can learn on your own from the books and DVD. It takes the knowledge and experience of several instructors and mentors to get you on the right path from the beginning. The longer you wait, the more bad habits will creep into your routine and it will be that much harder to get you back to the basic toss.

I expect, with almost complete certainty, there are problems with your grip that need correcting and probably about 5 or 6 other things that need to be corrected, even if ever so slightly, with your basic set up and throw. Those are things we can not fix without seeing them and I want you to get started out right because you sound passionate about this endeavor.

This message board is not only good—it is fantastic. The members are go passionate about sharing their ideas. Alligator Rose and I look forward to working with you in a future class.

Doc

"Dominator" wrote: let me throw something in. You say that you have a gentle toss, and so many people try to make their toss gentle. This might actually be the problem!

I like to say to "Trust the GTC throw". And what I mean by that is that the throw has all the components in it to make the toss gentle. You do need some energy in the toss … sometime missing the rig that you have tells me that you don’t have enough energy in the toss. Reach out for the box and throw the dice! Use the grip and toss in the book. Try a little more energy on the toss by just increasing your backswing just a couple of inches.
Let us know!

Dominator

… I wonder, … I wonder, …… de boat! … de boat!

fyi I built my current practice table like this three sheet of mdf lambed together making the base 2and1/4 thick I skinned it with a sheet you want bounce it has got it, it requires the best of shots to get the dice to sit down.

Why?

Why build a false sense of security with a easy table to beat my first table was that way no good.

Bmans rig is great and easy to travel with .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

I look forward to it as well. I hope to take a class with you guys in Vegas this year. My wife is becoming interested in dice control so there may be two of us in the class. She loves vegas too much to let me go without her anyhow.

"lococraps" wrote: I look forward to it as well. I hope to take a class with you guys in Vegas this year. My wife is becoming interested in dice control so there may be two of us in the class. She loves vegas too much to let me go without her anyhow.

Husbands and wives playing together make for a great combination. We have a number of terrific husband/wife teams who have great success and a lot of fun in the casinos.

Some that come to mind are Goddess/Sandtrap, Doctor Crapology/Alligator Rose, Lois and Clark and Kathy/Cobe Mueller. I know there are many others as well. They can tell you about their experience if you would like to let your wife know what she can expect. She will not be disappointed and neither will you if you decide to play together.

"Skinny" wrote: [quote="lococraps"]I look forward to it as well. I hope to take a class with you guys in Vegas this year. My wife is becoming interested in dice control so there may be two of us in the class. She loves vegas too much to let me go without her anyhow.

Husbands and wives playing together make for a great combination. We have a number of terrific husband/wife teams who have great success and a lot of fun in the casinos.

Some that come to mind are Goddess/Sandtrap, Doctor Crapology/Alligator Rose, Lois and Clark and Kathy/Cobe Mueller. I know there are many others as well. They can tell you about their experience if you would like to let your wife know what she can expect. She will not be disappointed and neither will you if you decide to play together.

And we do offer a family discount if you attend together

Call me 866-738-3423

Dominator