I have a few ideas which may help your predicament. I will accept at face value that this is the only casino in the world where you can play. Given that as the premise, I would try to solve this problem by starting with the easiest solution and progressing to the more difficult solutions.

First, does every person in the casino have the same attitude? Is it the same on every shift? In other words are there crews or pit personnel who are more tolerant on different shifts or tables? If they are all the same then lets go to the next solution.

Are there stick people whom you are able to ask to pass you the dice with the fours on top? You could say something like you are superstitious or those are your lucky numbers or maybe you can come up with another excuse. Since you tip them, there may be some dealers who are willing to work with you. If you get the fours on top you can quickly rotate them so the fives face you.

If that is not possible then try the next solution. First read my post about how to set the dice quickly in the wisdom pages. Here is the link to that post. http://www.goldentouchcasino.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=112 With practice you can pick up any die and put it down in front of you so that the four is on top and the five is facing you. As I say in the post you should be able to do this with one motion no matter how the die is oriented. All you have to do when the dice are passed to you is pick up each die separately and put it down in front of you in one motion. I do this in less than 1 second and it looks like I am picking up the dice separately and putting them down in front of me when in reality I am setting them with my standard set.

Finally, if none of those work here is my last solution. No matter how the dice are passed, you can turn them into one of 3 sets by rotating them about their vertical axis, the way you did to put the one and six on a certain axis. The 3 sets are the 2V, 3V or hard way sets. Billy the Kid tells an hilarious story about what happened to him when he played at the original Monte Carlo casino in Monaco, not the one in Vegas. You need to hear him tell that story in person because it is a riot. The upshot of the story is they would not let him set the dice. But they did not mind if he rotated them about the vertical axis. So that is what he did.

I don’t remember the technique for rotating the dice to turn them into one of the 3 sets. But I do know that any pair of dice can be turned into exactly one of those 3 sets by rotating them about the vertical axis. Maybe someone else on the board can help out here.

Let me know if this helps.

I find that there is a big difference in a crew person and a pit critter. But some pit critters don’t care about my small action and they are happy when I can draw more people to the table. In the big pic. one person for one day is not going to hurt their bottom line.
The 20 Cs work good most of the time.Dealers are human too.

Try tok on your roll only.

I now put out a pass line bet for them on my roll but only add odds when I make money on another number. So say my point is 4 and I place the 6 and 8 when I roll a 6 or 8 I will take one dollar and put up odds for them.This also helps me to know when to start up a unite. They seem to like it and they pay more attention to the game along with my bets.

Lots of times the dice are sent back to me set in one form or another. Some times even the pit looks at them and sets them to see what my reaction is.I have been asked at times how I like them set but always say I have no set way. When ever they talk about classes or other things I just let it go in one ear and out the other.
Don’t let them get your goat. 😀 😀
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

When you shoot you may ask the stick what hardway they would like you to bet for them. No matter what
number is picked put up a dollar bet for the crew. Of course you need a visual aid. "Can you show me what that looks like?" I can’t see any reason the stick would not be glad to set the hard whatever their money is on up as a visual aid to help you get them paid.

This has worked for me at casinos I have not played at much. What we do is no seceret anymore so we don’t avoid notice when we play. At least if we draw notice we can turn it as positive as the situation will allow. If you play at this location ofter it won’t be long before the whole process becomes automatic. These people are working for a living and will most likely take any cover you offer to keep the boss off their tails.

JRC

Have them work WITH us is much better . I like that.
Good Rolling. 😀 😀 😀

Again I will say that the best way to handle this situation is to set quickly. Now some of you might think you are setting quickly, but you are not. My example … my trip to Aruba this past summer…every table had a sign that said NO DICE SETTING.

I had a tip on the line with odds for the dealers, when the dice were in the middle I scanned them and know what I was going to do to get my hardway set. I NEVER had one dealer in the week I was there tell me I couldn’t set although they said it to others at the table. Why because I rotated them into a set in about 1.5 seconds or less. I have had a monster roll at one casino without any comments to me.

So people learn to scan the dice as they are in the middle of the table, know how you are going to set them before they get to you, and tip.

Dominator

Thank you everyone for your help, suggestions and insight. Skinny, has written to me about setting with the rotation, something I was not doing, although I always look at what the dice are when sitting in front of the boxman.
I have been practicing ration setting as I put the die together and have cut my time considerably and into a smooth motion. I will be trying the new skill later this week. It is a Great Day for Craps. Set44 😀

Just by moving one dice two clicks you can put up a set that is gtc approved.

If you do not believe me just write the set out hear and i will tell you how to turn the one dice twice and twice only to get a set.

You must be doing somthing right, one day i had them move me back four or five times i just kept throwing numbers i finished throwing i was almost in the hook.

Yep, and you don’t need to keep the same set when you do this. What I mean is if you start with the 5’s on top on the hardway set, but while they are in the middle, you see both dies with 3’s on top then do the hardway set that way

Dominator

We should all remember that we should be using the Hard Way set for the first year or two before we think about trying another set. The basic lesson we have learned or been taught is that the Hard Way set is the best way to avoid a 7.

Remember keep it simple. KISS!!!!!

"Mr Finesse" wrote: Remember keep it simple. KISS!!!!!

KISS… Very wise advice from "Eagle Eye" Mr Finesse…

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I will say it again, it is never the set, but the grip

Dominator

Dom,
What do you see as the biggest flaw in grips you observe?

The biggest flaw with the grip is not practicing gripping the dice and looking at how you have gripped them.

Every individual will do something different when their grip is off, so it is difficult to one thing happens more than another. If I had to pick one I would say it is most people grip the dice to TIGHT, they need to be gripped lightly so they almost fall out of your fingers when you lifth them from the table top.