Honestly, you shouldn’t be worrying about results. The basics are set, grip, and throw. Until you get those down, the numbers are going to be hard to replicate with any form of consistency. If you can read Dice Control Revolution and get started with the sets and some of the grip, you’ll be way ahead of the game. In the classes we teach individuals how to set the dice, pick them up, and work on grip most of the class time as 95% of this is grip. After a student has the muscle memory of a correct grip and toss down (about three months), it is recommended to start recording throws. Smart Craps is down the road a bit further, say six to eight months depending on how many throws you’re recoding. I did the same way back….I bought Smart Craps out of the gate and got so hung up on the results…..I was not focusing on simply making a good shot. Trust me….the calculations an wait….get the basics down first.

My two cents….
SectionEight

Ok makes sense, thanks for the advice

Section 8 offers you great advice, PatS.

Be patient and especially careful not to build flaws or bad habits, incorrect grip, etc., into muscle memory.

It can be difficult and frustrating to "unlearn" these things once you groove them in.

I’ll suggest you change your hardways set so the "fives" are facing you. Your choice to have either threes or fours on top. This is a "practice aid" we share with students attending the Primer class.

Can you guess why?

Thanks for posting!

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To tell you the truth I cannot figure out why Facing fives to me becomes significant as an aid, I am interested in the reason.

However after thinking about this overnight, then reading the first response from sectioneight regarding my grip and to get back to reading the books. I re-read the section on mechanics & Grip and also the variations of flight, it hit me.
If I can’t keep the dice rotating on the same plain together as they fly and land it makes no difference what set I use, I will never get away from random. Therefore once again I am right back to basics, what is amazing is this morning after working on my apiffiny, I hit 11 HW’s out of 20 throws. I had to stop practicing to get ready for "Sandy" she’s coming my way hard. Nonetheless if I can keep this smooth feeling and confidence level up I am optimistic I will achieve my goals and excell.

Now I’m really curious as to how the dice configuration can make a difference? Of course I’m referring to the HW set, and the fact that you mentioned arranging the dice so the 5 faces me. If the most important thing is to keep them together and rotate together, then what difference does it make which die faces you?

I hoe I am asking this without sounding snippy or sarcastic, because I don’t mean it that way. I’m learning and it seems I learn more and more with each and every post I read. So thanks in advance for the advice & help.

By having the 5’s face you, you can easily see what your thumb is doing. Is it centered? Is it too far down the cube? Etc.

The Contractor

I hope everyone impacted by wrath of Sandy are ok, I have been on Generator power since Monday Staten Island got hit bad.

Thanks for the tip Timmer regarding the dice set, it does help with maintaining the right thumb position. Since my kids schools are closed I must stay home with them so I’ve been practicing allot. I still can’t get over how it is possible to control the outcome of the dice, it’s amazing to me. It’s not easy as you all know but it is possible and how every word I’ve read is so true about many elements that come into play. Stress, physical condition, concentration and technique. The trick is put them all together and get it done, NOT EASY!

I really want to take a class.

Thanks for all the advice,

PatS

Happy to help. PatS. 🙂

I received your message and what you wrote is correct.

You’re right – Not easy… Little things matter very much with this "thing of ours."

I’ll encourage you to continue your reading to further understand the math of the game. It may be helpful to contact Dominator to get a "Gripper" practice aid as well. He’ll let you know if he thinks this is a good idea before you’ve taken your Primer.

Again, be especially careful not to develop bad habits that will need to be unlearned when you take the Primer class.

Others may have some more "pre-class" practice suggestions for you as well.

Thanks for your great contributions to our craps board!

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"PatS" wrote: I hope everyone impacted by wrath of Sandy are ok, I have been on Generator power since Monday Staten Island got hit bad.

Thanks for the tip Timmer regarding the dice set, it does help with maintaining the right thumb position. Since my kids schools are closed I must stay home with them so I’ve been practicing allot. I still can’t get over how it is possible to control the outcome of the dice, it’s amazing to me. It’s not easy as you all know but it is possible and how every word I’ve read is so true about many elements that come into play. Stress, physical condition, concentration and technique. The trick is put them all together and get it done, NOT EASY!

I really want to take a class.

Thanks for all the advice,

PatS

Timmer, the next day after I emailed you my guess about the set tip, "Contactor" posted the answer so I knew I was correct. Lol again thanks for the tips I try to follow directions so I don’t get into bad habits.

I would like to share an interesting experience I had this weekend at the Sands, some guy right next to me at stick left 2nd position as I was at stick left 1st obviously he rolled right after me. Anyway, as soon as he began to set the dice I could see that he was a "student" if you will. Maybe he will read this and respond, I never did get his name but he will recognize the scenario if he reads it.
Anyway I could tell he was a little more comfortable in my spot as he kind of leaned toward me, so I stepped back and said " go ahead brother you want my spot" and he appreciated that then began rolling and did quit well, well enough for the stick to try to slow the game to break his momentum. The pit boss came over and hovered for a while as he watched his setup, they reloaded chips even though it wasn’t needed. I can see how obvious this was, and I didn’t know this guy from Adam, but I talked to him while they held him up, just trying to keep him in the zone, telling him to remember what he learned to breathe stay relaxed, don’t let them get in your head just think about happy thoughts as if you we’re at home practicing, and we talked about sets and breathing etc. All a sudden I felt as if we were like a team, as if it was us against them, it was so cool. We didn’t want to make it obvious so we didn’t get loud or obstreperous we simply quietly spoke amongst ourself, it was pretty awesome.
When the roll was over we were both up and he was very appreciative of the feeling of comradery we shared, as was I. I’m positive having someone to break the tension helped keep him relaxed and focused.

If your wondering how I did, well I’m at the pint that I know what I’m doing wrong when I do it but still can’t prevent it from happening, if you know what I mean. I’m not terrible, I’m just not skilled enough to remain consistent, I learn something new each time I hit a table. It’s all practice, I need to keep practicing but my problem is the preasure I put on myself, I seem to force the throw when I don’t need too. It’s little stupid things that I screw up, I’ll get it and when I do "look out"!

PatS I made a mistake before taking the class . It was that I had been practicing for a long time before taking it. But had been rolling dice for years before I even heard of controlled dice . Any way I found out that in first class you will be using the 3 finger grip only. It threw me off for awhile for I stopped using it about 8 ms. earlier.
It took some time to convince my wife to let me take the class.I think it is worth it but would have been better off if I had been using the 3 finger grip instead of the 2 .Just a thought.
I know you will enjoy the class and learn a lot. Just stay out of the casino till class is over so you will get your moneys worth from class. Take better notes then I did and you will do fine .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀