lylaster I still think you will learn a lot IF you read ALL old posts and the wisdom posts along with the rest on this site which costs nothing.
I do not read much but here is a list that I have read some twice. Craps take the money and run, casino craps shoot to win,cutting edge craps, the craps underground. beat the craps out of the casinos, get the edge at craps, forever craps, the captains craps revolution,and golden touch dice control. I think you would like reading Outliers by Malcolm Glad well since you moved around a lot I did.
Some of these books are cheap on Ebay.
Some are hard to find in book store.
Have you looked at the book post section ?
You have started reading the best books on craps tho.
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

I think you should read Sharpshooters book. It is quite technical but is a good book.

OMC

finisher I am constantly reading this forum’s backpostings & the designated GTC Wisdom section (which I read first even prior to getting 60-days free member access from Frank, since the Wisdom is public, readable by all. I have a long way to go before I can say I have looked over *every* post, but I day in day out sincerely am trying for that. Sometimes a golden tidbit will really work for me even though it may not even be the main topic of the posting in question. Education, like beauty, is where you find it!

Thanx for the feedback. Thanks also to the other person (I cannot remember name at the moment) who suggested the Sharpshooter’s book…I’ll hunt down the full data for it. Being a "technical" book that means it gets into details and depth…things I hope to find in any really important subject or explanation type book.

THANK YOU

what’s the opinion on Yuri Kononenko’s book "Dice Control for Casino Craps. The "bible" shows a pic. of his grip wherein he grips the dice pair BY THEIR DIAGONAL EDGES, thumb on one seem and index finger on other seam-edge. One must use the flat of the table to rotate the dice pair together on the flat of the table, 45 degrees, and then reach around and finish gripping the other side with the tumb, maintaining the dice flush against each other’s inner faces, before attempting to pick the pair up and do all the other stuff that leads to a launching. Picking up the dice is a mini-skill in itself to do correctly. But listen to the payoff for mastering Yuri’s method, if you can make it true for you:

Bible p. 46: "This grip gives you an amazing amount of control over finger-release friction, trajectory, and spin rate." This is prolly the highest complement from a book that went into reviewing ALL OF the useful precision dice shooter grip methodologies. So I am not at all saying its true, but yeah I think I *am* saying that it calls for "in depth investigating" before a write-off, esp. for a person like myself that has not (yet) grown overly used to or attached to one grip/throw method instead of another.

For instance, tho it was too soon to use the SmartCraps software, I did use it and found it recommended I employ "T1F3:T1F3" as my set. This is a bizarre hardway set. But when I employ it, it rolls out 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 with more 6 & 8 than the other pt. nos. Almost no 7s ‘cept those caused by double-pitching. I haven’t mastered axis control, but when I botch a throw that way it gives me a 2 & 4 face up. I think I’ll stick with it til I develop > 50% axis control which will give me too many 6s!

Learning this skill leads down twisty roads, does it not?

You must be careful at taking that book at face value. He also has you shooting from the end and the betting strategies should not be followed as the house edge is way too high. I was going to let this one go, but did read this book back in 1999. A lot has changed since then. Dom constantly refers to the GTC throw as the "Ted Williams" throw. He was the last player to bat over a .400 doing all of the basics at batting. If you put all of the components of the GTC throw together, obviously with a lot of correct practice, you will get this throw down and it will be good because you will have built on a firm, correct, and consistent foundation.

Period.

Regards,
SectionEight

SectionEight Intuitively your reply on Yuri’s book "feels right" to me.

If the dude wants emulators of his methods to throw the entire craps table length ON PURPOSE he is a nutcase! Since even the addition of only 1 extra foot to the backwall is by no means a small adaptation. The precision thrower’s error-margins are just too tiny. To be corny: A precision throw must be thrown *precisely* if one hopes to stay "in the groove" of success,

OMC, is the book by "Sharpshooter" just a pen name for Frank Scoblete, and the book itself (I could not discover its (c)opyright year) simply an earlier version of the modern "Casino Craps: Shoot to Win" ? Or, does it have new stuff in it that Frank’s morern books do not adequately discuss? I am looking for new but useful and underdiscussed material that, book-wise, will "round out" my craps precision shooting collection/education.

Enough so that to make it better I will need videos, live classes, and of course my core process of practice throwings and self-education, even self-videotaping or taping with the help of a friend. Even slow motion videos are doable for me. As for the real prize, a major GTC class, affording that is 1-4 years away [subject to a quickening if somehow I am able to gain sizable income through the craps tables in ACY. I refuse to count on these winnings til they hit me over the head in obviousness!].

P.S. My Current but slowly evolving throw is (very much) a 3-finger GTC throw with the slight deviation that after initial dice impact (a loud whack) I try to allow the dice to slide in low, hitting the backwall base or no higher than 0.5" high, instead of a more pronounced gentle bounce that interacts often with whatever pyramids are present. Tested to date at 5 dealer shifts at 2 Atlantic City casinos, they haven’t minded. Since I am a low roller this may explain some of their flexibility toward my throwing method. I still use the 5-Count but don’t use it to inflate my player sheet in terms of getting comps. I just am too low a roller to qualify for comps…and thus, would far prefer to maintain my anonymity for security than hope for comps I never qualify for anyhow. & the 5-Count is wonderful in allowing time to size up the table as a whole and each person standing there. Within 2 throws I am usually on the money at finding other precision players, if there are any, and also naturally very lucky random players as well.

(This takes well over 2 throws for the natural luck-possessing people). Those who think all luck is "made" vs. being born with it are fools. But hey, let ’em keep on thinking this. A philosophy to *everyone*s* advantage except the thinker of that idea!! 🙂

Sharpshooter’s book is outstanding, and he is a real person….not Frank. He did teach the throw in a business much like GTC, and might still…not sure on that. I can’t say anything bad about Sharpshooter as he is real nice guy and incredibly smart….a mechanical engineer by profession. If you were to read books and take them to heart, you can’t go wrong with "Get The Edge at Craps" coupled with either "Dice Control Revolution" or "Cutting Edge Craps".

I would, however, steer clear of books that have you shooting from a position that requires you to test the laws of physics more than usual, has you regressing bets, and believes in trends or psychic phenomena.

My two cents…

SectionEight

Sharpshooter was the top dice controller when I took the GTC class in Tunica.

5 or 6 of us were assigned to one of the the instructor who let us through all the class, in my case NFF was my instructor.

After the entire process the group when to the main table where Sharpshooter gave final evaluations and suggestion which NFF shared with us.

Noah

Sharpshooter’s book is from an engineers view point and may help with your foundational thinking. I also read most every craps book I come across but most are worthless yet some have at least some interesting variations. GTC is really the best in the long run regardless. You just cannot go wrong following GTC principles. Don’t be fooled by all the rest. Beware.

OMC

Sharpshooter is a real person and a super nice gentelman. I can say he was my mentor when I began my journey into dice control, I played with and was taught by him long before he wrote his book in " The Get the Edge Series".