When you are the best people will go to great lenghts to be better, even if it is by patting themselves on the back by belittling you.

When you are great you feel no need to justify there coments with anything at all, you kow who you are and so do they.

If you have to talk smack about another to feel good about what you are doing just rember that you have three fingers pointing at yourself.

The kid crying foul the loudest is the one not worth shit.

The great ones let others tell them how great they are.

Doesn’t matter if they are cheering or boing you have to be the best to be loved and hated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know what you are talking about. I left those places long ago.

Cube man. Why the hostility to CIII? He is just about the only prolific poster left here
. If he is interested in the GTC history what ia the harm?
. Years back frank wrote a long post with the history. It was pretty detailed.
CIii tries to spur legitimate conversation with his posts. How many posts can we have that just have a link to a YouTube video or antagonistic stuff by "Franken"?
Is the board dying? Have we discussed everything ad nauseum? I do not know. Perhaps we need new blood coming aboard. Some of the best posters have stopped posting for one reason or another.

Like everyone else here I come around for entertainment and information. I certainly do not want to get I’m am internet argument but I feel that post was very rude to CIII.

I didn’t see any negative meaning in Cubeman’s response to CIII. He was just offering his opinion and disagreeing with CIII’s concept of equal spin. Being in the heart of this all, I agree with Cubeman’s assessment of the attacks but I have no interest in getting involved in the nonsense. I think CIII overreacted to a non-attack.

Hey, Scan, re-read the post. My spin is right! 😀 😀 😀

Here are all the sentences directly related and addressed to CIII in Cuberman’s post. I don’t see a single insult in any of them.

"I am going to throw water on CIII’s desire to know the history of dice control and everything else in this "community" as if one spin of one group is the equal to another."

"Yes, these were not only tolerated but cheered by the members of this board and I am sure it is one of the boards that CIII is going to." (This is one board where CIII had to go to in order to get this stuff about the history of dice control. It was no attack on him at all. Even if he didn’t go to this board, so what? How is that an insult?)

"Now CIII I am sure you are sincere in your concerns but I wouldn’t take anything these people say as truth. They are classless individuals." How is this an insult to CIII? It is actually praise to his sincerity.

I will offer my respectful criticism now. CIII is totally wrong (in my opinion) in his response. We are all entitled to our reading of the Cuberman’s post but I just don’t see any insults to CIII whatsoever.

And what about the main issue Cuberman brings up about the real attacks on Frank and Dom? That seems a hell of a lot more important than CIII’s reaction to a disagreement.

I guess when you are in the public eye and famous for what you write you will have many attackers. That’s just the way it is. Their attacks can’t stop Frank from being number one and I agree with Frank, Dom and GTC that responding to this kind of low-life attacks is a waste of time.

The people who make the attacks aren’t going to change their minds. The people who cheer about the attacks aren’t going to change their minds. So why bother? GTC has no competitors.

Frank never disagrees with anything that toots his horn. I remember a while ago someone (Bryan, maybe?) wrote a post about the .300 hitter issue and how people shouldn’t complain when they lose or win according to that rate. Frank responded and agreed with him.
The post, however, resulted in a backlash from people who posted often at the time. One poster said his ‘complaints’ and exploits had earned him a post of the month (Gordon, maybe?). Another thought the post was self-righteous. After it turned negative in a hurry, Frank responded again and said he was initially "taken aback" by the tone of the post. But that happened only after the annoyed people outnumbered those in agreement.

This post is supposed to be related to the history of DC? It unearths an incident that Frank and Dom didn’t even bother responding to or addressing. It implies that CIII relished in the mud-throwing. And it is incomplete. Were the posts made by the higher-ups in that site? Or by regular posters? Around when/what year? For how long? That’d be history. CubeMan, did you join that site first, or this one? That’d also be history.

This shows outrage that CIII may have implied that GTC = Other Groups. What I perceived he implied was that the history of DC is slanted in favor of whoever tells it… I think he said as much, actually.
He then asked for a GTC history.

I think I saw a post by the Goddess to that extent. As usual, it was well written, informative, and worth the read. I think it details how she started and who was there (Billy The Kid was there) and what they did (he taught the heck out of the game’s ins and outs).

Can we have more of that, please? History, I mean?
CubeMan: Where/when did you start? Who was there?
BrothelMan: Who was there? What color underwear did everyone have?

EDIT: Oops. That last comment to BrothelMan didn’t have any emoticons in it and may seem malicious. It was intended to be playful, even a tad juvenile, but not malicious or sarcastic or anything of the sort. Before anyone replies who may get offended, please accept my apologies.

I took it as yopu thought i inside info and fine details to provide some insight.

Self-serving? Self-serving? Tooting my own horn? Tooting my own horn? Hey, the truth is the truth. Now leave me alone — I have a horn to toot! 😀

"fscobe" wrote: Self-serving? Self-serving?

😆 Your words, not mine!! I only referred to the tooting, ain’t nothing there about serving!
Seriously, though, my post fails as a commentary on you. This is a paid private website and you’d do a disservice to yourself and those who come across your advice if you were not self-serving. It’s the nature of the business.

"fscobe" wrote: Tooting my own horn? Tooting my own horn? Hey, the truth is the truth. Now leave me alone — I have a horn to toot! 😀

And this is why you don’t need anyone to clam-up and close-up communication and dialogue on your behalf. You have a way with words and can do your own talking. You can turn things around in a jiffy and efficiently explain, demystify or jest about.

And now I’m going to sulk in my corner… I feel all jested-about and stuff 🙂

CubeMan you are so right about your analysis. I am happy GTC ignores these people. It is atrocious that supposedly intelligent men and women resort to such nastiness.

I got to say that I saw nothing in Cubeman’s post that was the least bit insulting.

The history of dice control and GTC …. there are things that have taken place and things that were said a long time ago by owners of sites that makes my blood boil and I loss my "Blue Aura" …. things I will not get into because it would lower me into their hole.

I don’t get AGame’s response here, but will I attack it …. no.

Dominator

Oh, attack Agame; what the hell? 😀 😀

Cubeman is right. This post told it like it is. We all know how others are jealous of GTC and Frank’s success. Instead of cheering on success people feel the need to knock and make fun. F**k em! I don’t know who got insulted by this post but whoever it was is a jerk**f.

"fscobe" wrote: Oh, attack Agame; what the hell? 😀 😀

😆 😆 😆

Good stuff here that lends itself to discussing more of what sets GTC and our instruction apart from others.

I’d also like to comment on the internet "critics."

I take what "others" write (or say) about Golden Touch on the internet with a grain of salt. In my opinion, they are merely taking swipes at the "best of the best." Everyone wants to try and knock off whoever is at the top of the hill, which in this case is GTC.

In the class lectures, Dominator usually points out that only 10% will succeed. Well, that potentially leaves 90% failures, disgruntled former GTCers and a pantload of amateur critics, doesn’t it…?

I travel frequently and play at a lot of different casinos around the country. I run into and interact with a lot of folks. GTC’ers, former GTC’ers as well as those from "other" dice camps.

Most are pleasant, but to be blunt, some are… well… rude nitwits.

Some know I am part of the GTC instructional team and consequently, I hear a lot of criticism, lecture and comment about Golden Touch.

I simply respond by always representing GTC as professionally as possible. I also hope that I have lots of good, money-making rolls with "them" watching. Lol!

I admire Golden Touch in that collectively we choose to take the high road. There is very little sniping about other groups, individuals, etc., on the GTC craps or other message boards.

From my readings, the same can’t be said about other’s comments about Golden Touch on their sites’ message boards. Differences of opinion about dice influencing are fine, and I believe there is always something new or interesting to be learned about this "thing of ours".

But petty sniping and personal attack is childish and reflects far more poorly on the person writing (or saying) it than it ever will on GTC.

As previously written, it is even more glaring when the words are coming from the site owners and/or the owners of other dice camps…

While I think there is always something to learn from reading and considering others opinions, I’ve never been able to tolerate rudeness or suffer fools gladly.

I don’t think it unfair to find displeasure in posts – or responses to posts – that become condescending, less than helpful, or devolve into personal attack.

Well, it’s all good and we who collectively make up GTC are the "best of the best" for good reason. Those reasons warrant further discussion, methinks…

My "buck 380…"

I hope everyone is having a great summer!

😎 😎 😎

I’ve gone to other sites. Some of the discussions are okay but some of the posters are under the impression that they are brilliant when they aren’t. I think the brilliant people are on this site.

Having played with GTC and non GTC players the GTC ones by and large are the better trained. But I have seen some GTC ones just not play the way they were taught. They think they know better.

As far as the cartoons and attacks those are made by individuals who wish they were but never will be as my mother used to say!