Who knows…

For me the question has always been ..whats the point.

By that i mean the average person needs to know why you are betting.

is it to make money to live on…
is it to see how much i can take off the casino
is it because the larger wins make me feel good
is it to show off

If a person can answer those questions, maybe then you have your answer. If you
are just playing to see how good you can get, then it would not matter what
you bet, you can get satisfaction from a $10 pass line bet and $20 odds as much as
you would from a $100 pass line bet with $500 in odds…

In terms of a 401g… if your first bet is $180, you would need $18,000 in your
account. If you have that much, then you can certainly afford the starting bet
of $180….. but if you are struggling… then it is back to the four questions
above.

I dont have a large 401g, however i can afford to bet at much larger levels than
i do, i just cant find a reason to do it…or atleast convince myself i can, or maybe
i am not honest enough with myself. i have no idea, all i know is i risk significant
amounts every day in my stock trades and investments and dont blink if i have
large swings….. but to bet $180 starting out at the table would scare the snarf
out of my friends…. they would think i lost my mind, yet they know what i
do in the market.

My step son is a gambler.. does not have a pot to p ….. in. yet goes to casino
and starts at blackjack at $25, wins alot or its all gone…. means nothing..ofcourse
my wife has to make his house payments.

In the end i think you need to know why you gamble, before you can decide how
much to gamble.

gman

Obviously you’ve been comfortable at the present level for a long time which has at it now seems become mundane. So you are toying with the idea of a larger initial layout looking to juice up the game and testing the emotional waters. Given time I’d say you’d probably overcome those inhibitions. It’s a matter of conditioning and how to go about doing that. I’d say start off with practice sessions at home to get used to the idea first. Then from that try one or two times in live action at the casino just to get the the feel of it. Whatever you do keep focused on your advantage and keep distraction at a minimum, personally I think your current approach sounds good but possibly reversing the pull/press to press/pull would enhance your experience. I’m a very cautious and conservative player but I understand you wanting to "up the ante". It’s a terribly fun game and really bottom line it to keep it that way and not get hurt…… 😎 😎

Why not do one bet at $60 on the six and then one bet of $90 on the eight to get the feel. It shouldn’t be much of a strain. That might be the way to go up slowly. Just my two cents.

Emotional relaxation is a fundamental part of dice control. If you are thinking of the money even a little bit your throw is going to be off. Bet what makes you feel comfortable right from the get go.

Just got home from a great night in the casinos. I have to say that you got to stay within your comfort zone. You can’t ever be thinking of the money. So my betting is not as high as it used to be when I was a stupid gambler. I will go up on my bets when I have been in a good roll but it takes me a long time to do this. We learned this in class and I have experienced it at the tables too. I had three good and one great roll last night then I stopped and people watched before heading home. I am a firm convert to the GTC way and have been for a long time.

Linus,

There is no simple answer. It all comes down to this: where are you most comfortable and how much of an edge do you really have?

Remember in the Primer Class Frank and Dom spoke about having a bankroll? The best recommendation here is betting 1/200th of your bankroll. $60-90 on 6/8 would require at least a $30,000 bankroll. I don’t know your situation on that, but that’s what Frank and Dom recommend in the classes. This is so that you do not sweat the money, that is…not thinking about the money during your dice throws. If you are increasing a line bet and/or a place bet that is getting you to sweat during your roll, then you need to get back to what makes you comfortable until you can get past the nervousness. To consistently come up with the numbers requires a clear mind, no distractions, a practiced shot with good accuracy and some good table conditions.

There is no badge of honor going out immediately at $150 on 6/8. I do agree that if you have the rolls documented, you’ve run them into Smart Craps and definitely have an edge, and you have the bankroll to increase the betting…then yes it’s time to take advantage of your skill. ALL… OF THOSE PREREQUISITES MUST be in place!! THAT…is the only part I will agree with, otherwise one will not have the physical skill nor the mental clarity developed enough to overcome the house edge and other distractions…and, the increase in money bugs you.

It sounds like the additional $90 on the place bet is enough to make you think about the money. So, I would recommend this… ONLY IF YOU HAVE AN EDGE, A BANKROLL TO SUPPORT THE ADDITONAL COIN, AND LOTS OF PRACTICE.

Practice a progression first. Try going out $60 on 6/8 immediately. On the first hit, collect your $70. On the second hit, go to $90. On the third hit, collect $105. On the fourth, go to $180. Sit there for two hits, collecting $420 total. On the next hit, go to $300. The next hit, you have the option to collect $350 or go to $600 immediately.

Practice this daily, recording your results not only in terms of rolls, place bets rolled, but wins and losses too. Obviously, you will learn very quickly if your edge is enough in practice to make money. You will also get comfortable with making the bets, knowing your progressions, knowing the payouts, and changing conditions that might accelerate a move up….or cause you to stay and take a few "same bets". These are all items that will make you more comfortable and knowledgeable, which will only help your game and make the live casino game move more smoothly for you. I would practice this three to six months before taking it to the casino. During that time, grow the 401G which will also help you not sweat the money. It’s all about having a clear head, period. You should be there to throw dice, period.

Once you really get that obvious edge…and your bankroll allows it….AND, you’ve been throwing consistent…try immediately going out at $90 on 6/8. On the first hit, collect $105. On the second hit, immediately go to $180. On the third hit, collect $210.

If you’re going immediately to $150 on 6/8 as well as a line bet of something in the neighborhood of $5 on the passline and $20 (say that the 5/9 is your point), then you’d need $66,000 in your bankroll. If that’s not a problem…..then…

The dice are square, they’re on axis, landing in roughly the same spot on each roll, the conditions at the table are excellent, and you’ve had some other rolls on this particular table in this particular casino today….ONLY WHEN ALL OF THESE ARE MET……..then…

Go immediately out to $150 on 6/8. Collect $180 on the first hit. On the second hit, go to $300, collect $30. On the third hit, collect $350. On the fourth hit, go to $600. You see the pattern here….it’s a progress, collect, progress, collect….all the way up. You could collect twice at the $150 level and then press each time, but that’s ultra-aggressive. This "stairstep" method allows for a progression and making good money along the way….It’s a great Advantage Play.

Good luck!!!

Kind regards,
SectionEight

SE is right. This game is as much mental as physical. Practice it for a while . We’re not talking a few sessions, we’re talking many. You need to get used to the swings of the wins/losses. When your comfortable, then take it to the live table.

Comfort is the key. Anything that makes you uncomfortable — even a littleuncomfortable — is bad. I agree with the idea of putting your full bet up right away but again many people can’t do that.

I remember when I first played with Dom he had trouble using certain colored chips. He got uptight. It took him a slot process to get comfortable doing larger bets from the get-go. He went so slowly that he almost didn’t notice it.

You are going to have to do the same thing. Again, your comfort is the key to everything as others have said.

I think that comfort is important and that is why I could never become a professional player. Really worrying about money I needed would throw me completely off my game.

"CharlesL" wrote: I think that comfort is important and that is why I could never become a professional player. Really worrying about money I needed would throw me completely off my game.

CharlesL gives a great example of why Frank and Dominator continually emphasize to the students in each class how important it is to stay out of the casinos until they have an adequately funded 401G in place.

A bankroll funded with money a player can’t afford to lose, such as that needed for month-to-month living expenses, is not advantage play.

😎 😎 😎

Many of us feel the same way. I can press bets once I have made what I consider to be enough money. But I hesitate to put the big bet up early even though I know I have an edge. I guess you could say that money has an absolute value to me.

TX.

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Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂