I will agree that guns are designed for one purpose and one purpose only and that is to kill.

However you should consider the fact that guns are inanimate objects therefore incapable of doing anything without human assistance.

Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.

You ever here the sayings " Locks keep honest people honest, or Where there’s a will there’s a way"?

If some demented person decides to kill another they will find a way. Gun control is not the answer.

I have around 30 guns and Ted Kennedys car killed more people than all my guns put together.

"RadicalP" wrote: Mayor Blomberg from New Jersey is right. That tragedy in Colorado would not have happened if the crazy killer didn’t have guns and tear gas. We have to outlaw guns for everything. No exceptions. We don’t need to hunt either. What is the purpose of killing helpless animals like deer and wolves and buffalo and bears? I think people should be vegetarians but anyway industry can kill the animals humanely so we can eat them. I wouldn’t outlaw eating animals as of yet because we aren’t ready for that but the time will come when people realize that killing other living things is wrong. We’ve banned smoking in almost all place and eating meat is next!

Well first things first Doomburg is from New York, you IDIOT. Then as for the remainder of your ramble. Guess the nicest thing I can say I already said. You IDIOT. 🙄 🙄 🙄

I have to disagree with StephenC. I do not think RadicalP is an idiot or stupid. I think he has bought into the leftist philosophy hook, line and sinker. There is no real thought in his arguments. He says them by rote.

On the other hand, I like Devilique. I think this individual is really smart even if I disagree with some of the conclusions.

"Abbot" wrote: I have to disagree with StephenC. I do not think RadicalP is an idiot or stupid. I think he has bought into the leftist philosophy hook, line and sinker. There is no real thought in his arguments. He says them by rote.

On the other hand, I like Devilique. I think this individual is really smart even if I disagree with some of the conclusions.

He’s an IDIOT because he has yet to offer an original thought. He has demonstrated a total disregard for logic. Regardless of your thoughts he still reigns as the Idiot Du Jour.

"Stephen C" wrote: [quote="Abbot"]I have to disagree with StephenC. I do not think RadicalP is an idiot or stupid. I think he has bought into the leftist philosophy hook, line and sinker. There is no real thought in his arguments. He says them by rote.

On the other hand, I like Devilique. I think this individual is really smart even if I disagree with some of the conclusions.

He’s an IDIOT because he has yet to offer an original thought. He has demonstrated a total disregard for logic. Regardless of your thoughts he still reigns as the Idiot Du Jour.

I happen to agree with Abbot on both comments; From reading his other posts I also get the impression he likes to "stir the pot" so to speak just to see and laugh at the responses posted.

Consider that when a person uses "logic" they draw on their own experiences, their unique interpretation of the education and training they have received. If RadicalP is thoroughly indoctrinated in the leftist philosophy then that will play a large part as he follows his logic path to arrive at his conclusions.

RadicalP and Franken are strong leftists but I think they are just parroting the propaganda. I too like Devilique. I agree with StephenC’s philosophy on most things and I like his passion. If I were in a war I would want to be with him.

I have a split mind on politics. There are things that fall into the "I don’t give a damn" part of my mind such as gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, prayer in the public schools, public displays of religion, MItt Romney’s tax returns, etc. — my emotions aren’t upset with the thought that two guys or two girls want to marry. In this I differ from most of my friends. If a town wishes to put up a creche so what? My little village has a creche for Christians and Menorahs for Jews and all the religions get together for a prayer service during that season. It sure beats the Inquisition. I also don’t give a damn if someone is an atheist. So what? I also believe in profiling and stop and frisk. Gun control? Not really. Low-life control? Absolutely.

Then there are things that get me crazy such as entitlements for low-lifes and the parasites that suck at the money I make through hard work. The fattest people I have ever seen (as a group) are on "food stamps." Check out their sneakers! I can’t stand the concept of "affirmative action" — when does it end? No one ever tells me that. We’ve had it now for over 50 years! Does it end at 100? 200? I think Asians are being discriminated against. As a group they have the highest grades and highest scores on the college and graduate school tests (they also have the highest incomes now). Yet, in order to fulfill affirmative action, Asians that clearly belong in elite schools are turned away to make room for students who do not belong there. I don’t see that as right or fair. Hey, I don’t want the Yankees to have quotas. "Hey, you need three more Swedes on your team." I want the best and I don’t care if the best tend to be coming from Spanish speaking countries.

I tend to be much like Ron Paul on warfare except I think that when we fight our soldiers should be warriors and not social workers.

I am quite conservative when it comes to budgets and spending. People who make the money should keep the money. I want to give to the charities I want to give to, not to the parasites the government wants me to give to.

I do enjoy the give and take on these pages. So keep up the good work.

I could have written the exact post Frank made. His views are identical to mine.
I actually feel many people feel the same but the media tries to make us think the average guy on the street loves "helping" people by giving them food stamps’ welfare, free medical and section 8 housing. They want you to think we are all happy to see racial quotas for college, jobs and promotions.
We are outraged when the police try to stem the tide of violence by stopping a person acting suspicious in a area blighted by crime. The media wants you to think we are losing sleep at night worrying about the child killer that is going to be executed in a Texas prison.
They want you to believe Romneys tax return is important to a guy that did everything right in his life but is now unemployed as the result of a depressed economy caused by federal borrowing and a busted housing bubble which was inflated by the US governments attempt to force banks to give mortgages to people that could not afford them
Gay marriage, the kardasians, 35 million for a guy to play basketball all a DIVERSION.

Our sons and daughters are fighting a war and everyone has forgotten that….and them

Amen to Frank and Scan.

RadicalP,

With a name like that, you may go "off the wall" some day. Or, maybe not. No one can tell who is going to plan a mass killing like this. If there were no guns around, there are always other ways. A lot of our information today comes off the internet. HEY, let us get rid of worlds computers and the information you can find in cyber space. Guess how many people will be saved?? You can find the information to make meth, crack, molly, how to build pipe bombs ect. Should we get rid of computers?? No, that is not the answer.

I would like to hear if this maniac found some of this information from his home computer. You can’t buy some of these items he had on a store shelf. You order it off the INTERNET. So RadicalP, do we get rid of computers??

I for one love to hunt, I have that right as an American to have a gun and BLOW the head off a Woodchuck (got her from 54yds by the way) when she is in my garden eating MY goods I planted. I just finished making about 10 lbs of venison jerky too. MMMMM yummy. And I have the right to protect my home and family from the scum on the streets.

I don’t have the statistics on deaths from car/deer accidents but if the population of deer are not controled, the rate of accidents will increase, and almost guaranteed so will the deaths.

Most states have gun control laws and waiting periods to avoid guns getting into the hands of lunatics like this. There should be checks and balances on guns, I agree with that. But I have the right to own one if I want. Or several.

Flat Foot

"flat foot" wrote: RadicalP,
Most states have gun control laws and waiting periods to avoid guns getting into the hands of lunatics like this. There should be checks and balances on guns, I agree with that. But I have the right to own one if I want. Or several.

What you are saying is true for gun shops, but individuals can go to gun shows and purchase guns on the spot. No background checks are required. That’s a loophole that should be closed. To use the quote about guns – cars don’t kill people – people do. If you are required to pass an exam and a driving test before you get a driver license then I believe that it is reasonable to require individuals to pass an exam in order to purchase a gun.

To be honest, it’s a constitutional right to own guns, however, how they are acquired isn’t. As an individual whose father was murdered by an individual whose was mentally unstable, I say I don’t care if you own a gun or several as long as you are responsible with them and don’t use them to harm another individual that isn’t attempting to harm you. I believe it is a good idea to have a awaiting period and background check. It may stop or even delay a crime, however, if an angry spouse wants to kill someone or a criminal wants to commit a crime they will probably only be temporarily delayed or forced to find another method.

I’m more concerned about those individuals who lives were stolen and their surviving family members. May God bring the victims and their families peace.

Frank,

Agree with almost all you said.

However, the comment about food stamps and being fat, I wonder if it isn’t cheaper to by fat producing food that is filling rather Han buy food for a better diet, and/or if those people have received an education as to what I better.

Just asking.

Noah

"Devilique" wrote: [quote="flat foot"]RadicalP,
Most states have gun control laws and waiting periods to avoid guns getting into the hands of lunatics like this. There should be checks and balances on guns, I agree with that. But I have the right to own one if I want. Or several.

What you are saying is true for gun shops, but individuals can go to gun shows and purchase guns on the spot. No background checks are required. That’s a loophole that should be closed. To use the quote about guns – cars don’t kill people – people do. If you are required to pass an exam and a driving test before you get a driver license then I believe that it is reasonable to require individuals to pass an exam in order to purchase a gun.

To be honest, it’s a constitutional right to own guns, however, how they are acquired isn’t. As an individual whose father was murdered by an individual whose was mentally unstable, I say I don’t care if you own a gun or several as long as you are responsible with them and don’t use them to harm another individual that isn’t attempting to harm you. I believe it is a good idea to have a awaiting period and background check. It may stop or even delay a crime, however, if an angry spouse wants to kill someone or a criminal wants to commit a crime they will probably only be temporarily delayed or forced to find another method.

I’m more concerned about those individuals who lives were stolen and their surviving family members. May God bring the victims and their families peace.

ALL individuals purchasing ANY firearm within the United states of America in ANY/ALL gun shops is required to pass what the Federal Government calls an Instant Background Check. Your inference that

"Devilique" wrote: What you are saying is true for gun shops, but individuals can go to gun shows and purchase guns on the spot. No background checks are required.

is inaccurate. In Colorado individuals buying at Gun shows are also required to pass the same check. The only way around existing Federal Laws in Colorado is for you to purchase from a private party. The ATF even conducts stings along with Colorado Authorities in local shows trying to get exhibitionists to sell inside or outside without checking. The weapons used in this crime were bought from reputable Dealers. At least that is the information up to this point in time.

Then you state

"Devilique" wrote: I believe it is a good idea to have a awaiting period and background check. Along with Colorados’ own version. It may stop or even delay a crime, however, if an angry spouse wants to kill someone or a criminal wants to commit a crime they will probably only be temporarily delayed or forced to find another method.

Since you enjoy data, Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2009, 73% of all violent crime involved NO weapon. Of the remaining percent only 8% involved Firearms. Lets have a waiting period for Frying Pans, I was involved in one particular case where Mama beat her husband to death with one. Probably the bloodiest scene I was ever at.

A waiting period may stop the crime of passion, its not going to have one iota of influence on the planned event. This thing here was a planned event. And regardless, since he had no record anywhere other than a traffic ticket even a weeks wait wouldn’t have had different results. He would have been allowed the purchases plain and simple.

"What you are saying is true for gun shops, but individuals can go to gun shows and purchase guns on the spot. No background checks are required. That’s a loophole that should be closed. To use the quote about guns – cars don’t kill people – people do. If you are required to pass an exam and a driving test before you get a driver license then I believe that it is reasonable to require individuals to pass an exam in order to purchase a gun. "

Problem is I can (and did at one point in my life) drive without taking or passing an exam for a drivers license. Rules like that only make it harder for honest, law abiding people. Criminals never think "Gee I better not carry an unregistered firearm. I might get in trouble."

I can’t help but think how the situation might have been different if there would have been a dozen Stephen C, flat foot, or Doglegs in the theater.

If you read my post thoroughly you will specifically see I referred to the requirement here in Colorado. Here let me make it clear from Colorado State Statutes

"Before a gun show vendor transfers or attempts to transfer a firearm, he or she shall require that a background check, in accordance with the national instant criminal background check system, be conducted of the prospective transferee, and obtain approval of the transfer from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation through a licensed gun dealer."

Don’t believe that how about the Liberal leaning Wikipedia. Google "colorado gun show transfer"

All firearms sales at Colorado gun shows must be made by a federally licensed firearms dealer, and include a criminal background check. Private sales/transfers of firearms in the state of Colorado outside of gun shows are still legal.

The last sentence referres to private party to private party sales.

Charlton Heston NBC "Meet the Press" May 18, 1997

"… Let me make a short, opening, blanket comment. There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody – except bad people. …"

Sevenout,

Maybe if someone who was carrying a concealed licensed handgun could have stopped that carnage. I carry my handgun every where I go!! Even to the movies, shopping, sporting events. When I am home it is locked up, but close by for the crack head who decides he needs money.

In our county you need several refrences, back ground checks. You need to write a letter to the Judge explaining why you want a handgun. If accepted, you need a handgun course. Then you need to get the information about the gun you want to purchase and go get a coupon for that gun from the Pistol Permit office. All counties and States are different. Some States it is easier to obtain a gun, others it is not.

We could beat this Topic to death and everyone has their own opinion. Yes, we should think of the families involved in this senseless tragety and any other mass killing or a single killing for that matter. Things like this are unfortunately going to happen. Just be aware and hopefully prepared. Don’t be a victim.

Stay Safe,
Flat Foot

"sevenout" wrote:
I can’t help but think how the situation might have been different if there would have been a dozen Stephen C, flat foot, or Doglegs in the theater.

Ok, I gonna address just a couple of things recently said and then I’m gonna leave this topic alone. First, ask I stated earlier I have no problem with any law abiding citizen owning weapons. I really don’t want to be in the same area as those who carry them around in the streets (law abiding or criminal). Just reading the quote from sevenout, whose opinion I respect, makes me nervous. From what I heard on television and read the shooter threw a canister of smoke or something that made the theater fill with smoke so it would have been hard for anyone to determine who was the gunman who was not. There would have been many moving innocent people in the theater trying to get out. And with Stephen C, flat foot, Doglegs and sevenout all trying to get the gunman it would have been hard to determine who were the innocent individuals moving around and whether one of you four shooting your weapons were the gunman or just well intended helpers and even more people could have been harmed. So, I guess what I am saying is that if you want to keep your firearm with you and use it to get yourself and your loves ones out of harms way I don’t have a problem with that as long as you are responsible and you realize that the person shooting the gun could be someone just as well intending as you, and if you shoot and kill him/her then you could be brought up on charges for killing an innocent person.

Secondly, about the gun show loophole, someone already stated, licensed gun salesman have to conduct background checks, however individuals wishing to sale their personal stash then they don’t have to follow the same guidelines -hence a criminal could purchase it. Third, as I stated earlier, licenses won’t stop a vindictive spouse, undiagnosed mentally disturbed individual or criminal from obtaining a firearm if they are determined to do so. It will only delay them or forced them to find another method for carrying out their crime.

And finally, background checks, exams or licenses will not stop law abiding citizens from obtaining a firearm only delay their purchase. I’m OK with that if it may stop the purchase or delay the sale of a firearm to a criminal. My grandfather and my father both own several weapons which most were used for hunting, however, both individuals used them for violence as well. And before you all jump on that statement, let me say that is my experience which isn’t common. All of you can tear apart my ideas but in my humble opinion, just because you can own a weapon doesn’t mean everyone should.