A shorter backswing will lower the energy a bit. Without seeing your throw, it is difficult to give a good analysis. Other things that come into play is the amount of backspin off the dice based on how they are leaving your hand. Tension on the dice and follow through at the end of the throw also have a major impact. Sign up for one of the Primer class and you will have 10-20 instructors working with you over two days.

I know the standard answer is to take a class. I’ve had a class and two tune ups. Here’s the stark reality. Craps is a great hobby if you are a $5 and $10 unit player. At this level, I will have to have 10 winning years of craps in Vegas in order to make back the cost of my instruction, which I"ve appreciated.

So…I’m trying to utilize the board as a cost effective way to look at some of the issues.

Thanks for the reply, of course. I’m not making the classes an issue, but I do not go to Vegas often enough or play big enough to justify $5000 or $10,000 worth of trip and instruction expenses. As a business man, or even as a serious hobbyist, you’ve got to look at return on investment. Once I begin playing with $100 units and full odds, I’ll be back in touch on more classes (might even be worth it on $25 units).

Still would appreciate thoughts on any of the aspects of the set up, grip, throw, etc., that could be giving the dice too much power. I think it may be a grip issue….it usually is.

Thanks for all replies that are not based on ‘take more classes’. Love you guys, but not doing that right now.

AlamoTx

Two quick thoughts that come to mind that have helped me lighten the toss:

Throw in practice from Stickman position, this will force you to cut power on your approach and landing (nice terminology, eh DP? 😀 this was in a post from last month or so.

The other tip is from Brothelman, toss into a bowl, again, will help you work on a softer approach.

Perfect? Far from it… But improving!!

Viva Las Vegas! 😎

Hi AlamoTX,

First, it sounds like you are doing a lot of things right in your practice. Your question is a good one as well.

Some suggestions would be to:
1. Insure your dice are rotating the same number of revolutions on each and every toss.
2. Insure your dice are touching down in the same intended landing spot on each and every toss.

Second, This "thing of ours" requires exacting, repetitive technique if you hope to achieve consistent toss-to-toss results and play with an advantage. Even minor flaws creeping into the various components of your toss will often have a HUGE impact on dice roll-back and outcomes, among other things.

With that said, it is very difficult to "diagnose" via the boards, without seeing your grip, toss mechanics, etc. Dice Pilot’s response to you wasn’t a "pat answer" at all. He offered you the best advice you could get, which at this stage of your development, that you would be best served by the "hands on" "eyes on" instruction available from the pro GTC instructors.

It sounds like you’ve taken the GTC Primer class, along with several tune-ups. My suggestion is to keep working on the basics taught in the Primer class during your practice sessions and as Dice Pilot suggested, to take the GTC Refresher class when you can.

The Refresher class is an intense weekend of instruction. This is also the class where what you learned in the Primer and your many months of practicing the Primer basics will all come together and take you to the next level in developing your advantage play skill-set.

Maybe others will chime in on their Refresher class experiences. I do hope my suggestions help.

Thanks for your post!

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I suggest putting GTC primer graduate under your personal preferences tab.
It is difficult for us to determine who has and has not taken our class and level of experience.

Keep working through your practice sessions and go back over your class notes.
Stick to the basics. Pull out your gripper and mirror to ensure your grip is perfect every throw.

It is very difficult to give advice without seeing your grip, set up, backswing, throw,and follow through up close.

Used to have it there. I guess it went away when the guys changed the web host. I’ll see if I can figure out how to put it back in there.

You state that your dice are released on a 45. How high above the surface are they before starting the decent. To much height can also impart greater energy. I’ve started throwing over a stick that is at chip rail height. I try getting the dice just over before they start their downward travel. This has softened my throw greatly and the action after the first bounce has noticeably reduced.

Knock on wood, I think I"ve got it fixed….not that it’s perfect anyway. Like Frank says, your edge is always dynamic. The problem was pretty simple. I had too much finger pad on the dice. Brought them up to where it’s more like what you get with the little grip helper gadget. Now, it’s easier to actually feel the dice slipping out on their own and rolling off the finger tips. Have thrown 3 practice sessions today, all in the mid-twenties. The last one was a quick one turn with the dice and threw 12 sixs/eights before sevening out on a 24 roll hand. Gonna go with what I"ve got now and use visualization as I get closer to leaving for Vegas. Thanks for all the comments. Hope we have a good trip report. THere will be a bunch of us there.

AlamoTx

"AlamoTx" wrote: Used to have it there. I guess it went away when the guys changed the web host. I’ll see if I can figure out how to put it back in there.

It is a lot easier to do on this new forum.

Click on User Control Panel which is near the top of this page.

Then Click on the Profile tab and towards the bottom of that page you will see an area where you can enter GTC Courses AND GTC Records and Achievements.

When you are done Click on Submit at the bottom of that page and you are done ❗ ❗ ❗