That is indeed most interesting. Questions—what are the dice made out of? How does their weight compare to real dice? Just wonder if they might be more harmful to to you when you change back to real dice in the casino. Just a couple of thoughts. Did you make them? The one thing we like about the pipless dice is you can concentrate how the dice react as outlined below.

Rose and I have a pair of dice without pips we got from Dom, however with the pipless dice, it was difficult to see how they were reacting in the air. For us (not necessarily others) the pips seem to give us some idea how the dice look in the air. We don’t use them.

HOWEVER we have a saying that we call "how to perfect your throw and the resulting outcome without setting the dice". WE ONLY DO THIS IN PRACTICE!!! When we do this we don’t worry about the number rolled, but concentrate how the dice react in the air (do they wobble, are the dice together, are we on a horizontal axis, do they land softly, do they have the dead stop and not go all over the place, etc). You can of course do these things with dice with no pips.

The advantage of using dice with out pips is that you don’t worry about the results –ie did you roll a 7 for example. This is the one thing we like about your pipless dice.

Really an interesting post. I am sure pipless dice may well work for others on this web site.

7X7—thank you for posting this as it will certainly get members to thinking. I know it did me. It is people like you that make the GTC message board the best in the industry. Please keep sharing you ideas. You are a real credit.

Doc

I have to agree with Doc’s concerns about the harm these may do. The pips have a purpose other then displaying an outcome at the other end of the table. First is the alignment of your fingers, with the hardway set (4s up and 5s facing you) it allows you to center your fingers and thumb on the dice. Second is that without the pips it would be difficult to realize if the dice double pitch. Finally I use the pips to check to see if my dice are level when doing my warm-up drill. This done by looking into a large mirror hung on the wall at the end of the table to see if the pips are perfectly level as I hold this position. It’s easy to see the bottom pips of the 2s on the back side of the dice in the mirror and check for level. I would definitely limit the use of pip-less dice.

MasterBlaster
Tom

I agree with everyone to a point. Certainly can’t see how your fingers are sitting on the dice or the result. By the time you get to a casino your setting should be all by touch rather than sight. However I use pipless just so I don’t start reacting to the end result but rather the reaction in flight. I also use two pipless glued together for a wobble check. Anything that helps is my mantra. Great idea by the way to take 2 pairs of GTC dice and painting them. Do you think the paint added much weight and is it noticeable at all.

I have GTC pipless dice. When I used to travel to play I liked using pipless for a few days before I traveled. The closer I got to a big trip the more I would tend to stress over what numbers I was tossing. Pipless kept me from doing that and concentrating on toss mechanics instead. I think any aide that helps in practice is not a bad idea. Thanks for showing us your idea 7X7.

I looked at the dice. Apparently, you painted them. I can see the raised “Golden Touch” under the paint. I use dice from my preferred casinos. I have found that the retail pair of dice weigh 2 grams less. Interestingly, the retail die are closer to 19 mm each (19.1 mm) than the casino dice, which are 19.4 mm. The weight difference, though, can’t be explained by the slightly different size.

I prefer the pips, so I can see what the backwall does to the dice.

Stephen C—like your idea of occasionally using 2 glued together dice to check your "wobble effect. Ever tried gluing 3 dice together so that you can really see the wobble effect? It can really show you a lot about your grip. Just make sure your fingers are in the exact middle of the dice.

Rose and Doc

When I first looked at them I wondered if the pair were glued . The first time I used a pair of glued dice I was shocked at the wobble they had . I thank Bman for the idea . A cheap way is some casinos sell used dice for 1.00 .
Good Rolling. 😀 🙂

Dr. C, hadn’t thought about three glued together. But have given thought to using my upright mill and drilling a hole thru the center of two glued together and inserting a plastic dowel that extends several inches either side.