Preacher,

Looks good! And your results do not surprise me at all, because it is the same theory as compound interest.

One of the guys in the Cleveland Crew always told me to be an investor not a banker.

In other words get your initial capital back as quickly as possible and reinvest part your winnings into the hand. I am glad to see your numbers support his thinking!

Happy New Year!

Sincerely,
Lou

your progression was on only one come bet?

"Dice Shark" wrote: your progression was on only one come bet?

Yes, the progression methods listed are for the same number when it is rolled. If you roll a 4, 5, 6, 5, 6, 4, 8, 6, 4, 8, then at this point, the two rolls of the 5 ($10 Come Bet with $30 Odds) would have added $40 to your rack, the three rolls of the 6 added $81.

When a Pass Line number becomes a Come Bet, you should maintain the progression, but the bet level is based on the number of collections on the number, not the roll count for that number.

It does get a little complicated keeping track of the bet level for the odds on a number, if that number was also on the Pass Line. In the same manner, if my odds come down because of a Come Out 7, I prefer to keep the most repeated number up, as a Place Bet to be converted, or as a Put Bet, depending on the max odds at that casino. But, excuse my prevarication, the “going back up” depends on my comfort level with my throw at that point.

thanks for the reply – so at any tme you have just one bet on the table?
I belive the Big Skinny is pass line with two come bets.

Big Skinny does have 2 comebets. I think that Preacher is just giving an example using one comebet

Dom

"Dice Shark" wrote: thanks for the reply – so at any tme you have just one bet on the table?
I believe the Big Skinny is pass line with two come bets.

Yes, as Dom said. I was saying the Bet Progression is for each number independent of the other. I start with a Pass Line Bet followed by two Come Bets, limiting myself to 3 working bets until I have at least 2 or 3 collections. After that, or sometimes after my 5 count, I keep a continuous Come Bet going.

The Bet Progression C does mean I have more exposure on numbers I roll, but then repeat only once. But the increase is so significant on numbers I hit 3 or more times, I don’t mind the risk.

I also referred to the situation in a long roll, when I get a Come Out 7, which takes down all my Come Bets – usually 5 numbers by that time. In that situation, I don’t start over on the Bet Progression. As each number is rolled, I bet Odds on the Come Bet as though the number never came down.

I charted out all the numbers, 6 or 8, 5 or 9, and 4 or 10. For Bet Progression C, “Press Half, Press Half, …”, here is what the collection looks like on roll 1 to 8 of that number:

For 5 or 9: $0, $40, $97, $188, $340, $597, $1,037, $1,820.

For 4 or 10: $0, $40, $126, $286, $594, $1,198, $2,416, $4,826

All from a starting $30 odds bet (3x). Start with 5x odds or higher, you can have a very good day.

In past years Cill had some great charts on this . I have no idea were you may find them tho . I should have printed them but did not thinking that I could find them if needed to .
I guess he is no longer on this site .
Some one else may be able to tell you more about this .
Good Rolling. 😀 🙂

Finisher, you’ve mentioned Cill and his charts before, back in 2017. But I found nothing on it in the forum.

The bet progressions I’ve read about are “The Big Skinny” (TBS), viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1402&hilit#p4727, and Dr Crapology’s variation of it, viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10583&hilit=Progression. Both are, by comparison, more conservative than the “ Always Press Half” I presented.

In mine, a given bet is covered, paid for, the first collection on a number. On a 6, I have a $10 flat bet with $30 odds, a total of $40. The first collection pays $10 + $36, a total of $46. I keep $26 and press the odds with $20 (total odds now $50). So, on the 6, I’m still exposed to a loss of $40 – $26, a total possible loss of $14. I’m happy to risk that for the next collection of $70 ($10 + $60). Then, I keep $35, putting me well into profit and positioned for a great payout coming up.

By comparison, the TBS (method D) falls behind on the 2nd collection, or third, depending on when you decide to make a full press (Party).

The typical Advantage Player, if using 3x odds, stays at $30 for three collections, then progresses to $50 for 2 or more rolls. After 5 collections, this gives you wins of $46 -$40 + $46 + 46 – $20 + $70 +$70, for a total win of $218. The “Always Press Half” gives a total win of $361, which is $143 more. Admittedly, it takes more gumption to always Press Half, but it pays better, too.

Also, there are three articles by Stickman under the "Stickman’s Stance" link on the GoldenTouchCraps.com main page. His articles chart progression using Place Bets. Here are the links:

http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/Stickma … 0003.shtml
http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/Stickma … 0004.shtml
http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/Stickma … 0005.shtml

These charts compare “Up a Unit”, “Pull and Press”, “Press and Pull”, and mine, “Press Half”. My preferred bet progression is in Part 3 of his article. Using Place Bets, you can see that Press Half outpaces all the other bet progression methods. His numbers are off a bit, beginning at roll 2. My bets start at $30, while his start at $10/$12. The Press Half continuously surpasses all other methods by roll 4, and is never more than $10 behind.

Still, I much prefer starting with Come Bets, even on a 3x4x5x table. We need to pace ourselves correctly, too. It’s not just about maximizing our wins. It’s also about minimizing our losses. If you start with Place Bets, your losses on short rolls are going to be more severe than mine ever are.