A casino in the a state that borders Texas now has craps tables where the players can actually shoot the dice. In the past the casino had craps tables but used cards pulled out of shoe and the 2 cards determined the number "rolled."
With the new rule that the players can actually throw the dice the casino did put in a crazy wrinkle which probably does not favor the player:
Each and every come out roll requires that each player with money on the table must pay a $1 fee up front.
With a new shooter making his come out roll each player with money on the pass line must pay this $1 fee up front to play. This is true as mentioned on each and every come out roll.
If a player uses the 5 count before making a come bet, a place or buy bet, he must pay the $1 when he makes his first bet on that shooter.
A player making a field bet, craps or any crazy crapper after the point is established pays the $1.
Remember the player only pays the $1 once prior to each and every come out roll.
If on a come out roll the shooter rolls a 7, 2, 3, 11 or 12 a decision has been made and each player with money on the table must pay the $1 fee to play for the next come out roll.
If the shooter establishes a point and a few rolls later maker his point, a decision has been made and wins paid. Now the shooter has a come out roll and all players with money on the table must pay the $1 fee again.
If the shooter has only his initial come out and rolls 30 times without making his point all players can then make all the bets they want without paying $1 again on that shooter. When the shooters 7 out, the $1 fee must be paid with the next shooter.
Another example, a player pays his $1, and places the inside numbers. The shooter makes his point meaning a new come out roll is on the way and the place better must pay the $1 again to keep his money on the table!!! Bummer.
Pretty weird.
I have never been to this casino but got this word from a friend. This is how I understand the $1 fee works but I got the information second hand. But I think everyone will get the idea of what the casino is doing.
Just wondering how much this negatively impacts the players.
Skinny???? HELP.
Just thought I would run this on the message board for everyone to read.
Doc
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Posted by: Big Bad Dad on September 19, 2018, 3:09 am
BBD
Posted by: Dr Crapology on September 19, 2018, 11:11 am
Doc
Posted by: Skinny on September 19, 2018, 9:16 pm
There is no simple answer to your question. The effect on the math of the game depends on how much you are wagering. It varies by each type of wager and the amount that is wagered.
For example, if you were to make a $5 pass/come bet the $1 tax would raise the HA from 1.41 to 9.63%. But if you were to make a $25 pass/come bet the $1 tax would only raise the HA up to 3.31%.
In the first case you are effectively betting $6 on the line to win $5. In the second case you are betting $26 to win $25. I think you can see how this $1 tax alters the HA differently for different amounts.
It gets even more complicated with place bets. Suffice it to say this is a big increase in the HA and I would not play at any casino that had this $1 "tax".
Posted by: Dr Crapology on September 20, 2018, 2:18 am
Rose and Doc
Posted by: Preacher on September 21, 2018, 3:44 am
Some of those Oklahoma casinos try to recoup the “fee” by charging “commissions” on their players, as Dr Crapology described. How, when, and how much varies. It’s on all their table games, not just craps. Others just pay it to the state without gouging their customers.
I find the entire arrangement objectionable on principles of a free market. I won’t be going to OK.
Posted by: Dr Crapology on September 21, 2018, 11:30 am
Doc
Posted by: Big Bad Dad on September 21, 2018, 1:35 pm
Posted by: SevenTimesSeven on September 24, 2018, 4:14 pm
"Big Bad Dad" wrote: So far that’s the only casino I’ve found that charge the craps players.
So the other casinos in OK do NOT have this crazy tax?
Only ONE casino does?
Posted by: Big Bad Dad on September 29, 2018, 4:05 am
BBD
Posted by: NofieldFive on September 30, 2018, 2:09 pm
NFF
Posted by: SevenTimesSeven on September 30, 2018, 7:02 pm
"NofieldFive" wrote: I would drive to Shreveport before I would drive even 5 minutes and pay an additional tax to play a casino game. The house edge is in essence a tax, and now they add a ridiculous tax on top of that, just for the privilege of being allowed to play their game.
NFF
I agree fully.
If they notice that their craps profit center is not doing well
they will come around to normal craps without their the ‘tax’.
We must not support them and we must put a word in that
they should adapt ‘normal craps’.
Posted by: billythekid on October 3, 2018, 12:13 am
Ive been told that in that state the casinos can only keep money that is derived from the ante and not money from gambling per se. If this is true the monies from patrons that lose gambling is to be returned to players in various ways. Since I don’t live anywhere close I have no personal experience and this info may not be totally correct.
This paragraph has been correct in the past. Whether because of competition or state regulations casinos there have some days or some time periods where they do not charge an ante. This provides opportunities for some advantage plays. Everyone that lives in that great big state or others close by needs to go to the ok state and get players cards. When those ante free days or other promotions are announced the best way to be notified is through a players club account. I have been told that some of these casinos have ante free days every week and others just occasionally.
Good AP’s do their homework and share info on private networks and email groups. Get to WORK!.
BTK
Posted by: Big Bad Dad on October 12, 2018, 10:35 pm
BBD
