No you are not an idiot. However I don’t remember any casinos that I have played at in Vegas that
will allow me to buy it.

Use to do it all the time in Tunica but since I now live in Los Angeles never get to Tunica, but only to Vegas.

I don’t remember the numbers but you don’t want to buy 5-9 at the $5 level though. Maybe some one will add the level where it makes sense. Remember to make buy bets for even numbers. It also makes a difference as to wether the vig is paid up front or only when you collect, which can vary by casino.

Noah

Here is an article I wrote that can be found in the wisdom pages. Click on the link below to go directly to the article.

Buying the 5 and 9

There are other articles in the wisdom pages about placing the 5 and 9. You may want to look for those and read them as well.

To make it simple for you, it is not a good move to bet on the five and nine unless it is a come bet. However, if you want to buy the five and nine, it must be in an even amount where the vig is collected on Wins only. Then you are better off buying it rather than placing it. The problem is 99% of the casinos in the United States that I have visited collect the vig upfront and on the wins Which makes it a terrible back.

"MIDNIGHT" wrote: To make it simple for you, it is not a good move to bet on the five and nine unless it is a come bet. However, if you want to buy the five and nine, it must be in an even amount where the vig is collected on Wins only. Then you are better off buying it rather than placing it. The problem is 99% of the casinos in the United States that I have visited collect the vig upfront and on the wins Which makes it a terrible back.

being that vegas in win only vig, does a $30 on 5 and 9 not have a house edge close to that of a $25 buy on the 4 and 10?
and is it possible that u can not buy the 5 and 9 in vegas?

I have never been in a casino in Nevada where you could buy a 5 or 9. But then I have not been in every one by a long shot. Would guess they just don’t allow it but never hurts to ask if you want to use it. Like Midnight, I think the most reasonable way is through the Come box to get on those numbers.

"getagrip" wrote: I have never been in a casino in Nevada where you could buy a 5 or 9…

thx.

We agree that buying the 5 and 9 is not a good bet. The only place that we know of is in Tunica, where you can buy the 5 and 9 for $35 with the $1 vig paid on wins only.

While we are on the subject of buying numbers, to the best of our memory, in Atlantic City you can buy the 4 and 10 for $35 but the vig is paid up front but not on a win only. But for $35 it is supposed to be a decent wager but not as good as going through the come line and taking odds.

However we are 98% come betters.

Rose and Doc

"Dr Crapology" wrote: We agree that buying the 5 and 9 is not a good bet….

care to elaborate on why u say this?
while i would agree its not better than a come with full odds but doesn’t a $30 buy on 5 and 9 have a house edge close to that of a $25 buy on the 4 and 10? and we are only talking about buys with commission paid on wins only.

thx for all the input so far.

MIchaelB,

I don’t claim to be a math expert in computing the various house vigs on different bets, but I do have complete faith in what the people on the message board have to say. They much more knowledgeable about this information. I think we both agree that buying the 4 an 10 for $25 with the vig of $1 with the $1 paid on wins only is a good bet. It is close to placing the 6 and 8. Buying the 5 and 9 for $1 (paid on wins only) for $35 is a good bet but to my knowledge it is available only in Tunica. See Skinny’s post about buying the 5 and 9 as mentions in his post. Think it will answer most of your questions.

Love your interest in posting on the GTC message board. Rose and I look forward to seeing you in the casino soon.

Doc

OK everyone. Let’s get to it but first – I love this question. You are not an idiot for asking and I appreciate that you and others are posting great questions on the board!

A buy bet on the 5/9 – and as far as I know can only be dune in Tunica) is BETTER than placing the 6/8 when you pay the vig after it hits.

Buy 5/9 for $30 with Commission paid on Win only:

Commission of $1, HA would be 1.33%

H/A on the place bet of the 6/8 = 1.5%

Buy the 5/9 is a better bet!

Buy 4/10 for $30 with Commission paid on WIN only

Commission of $1 (almost every casino I know will let you buy the 4/10 for $30 for a $1 commission) = 1.33%

Again a BETTER bet than placing the 6/8

Conclusion:

A buy bet on the 5/9 or 4/10 when the commission is paid after a win is a better than than placing the 6/8. Buy bets and comebets with odds are the best bets you can make. I guess Billy, Daryl, and I need to think of a better way to say all this at our seminars so everyone understands.

On the casino personnel not knowing about the buy of the 5/9 – Just shows you how STUPID they are!

Dom

Since the House Advantage (HA) on the 5/9 Place Bet is 4.00%, it’s easy to see why a Buy bet that takes the vig only on the win is a better bet, as Dom said.

Then there’s the Put bet. This bet is better than a Place Bet when 2 conditions occur:
1) the casino offers 30x odds or higher (I have friends that bet max odds at 100x, so I pointed this out to them. But I’m talking about $500 to $10,000 odds bets.)
2) your Odds bet on a Come Bet just came down.

The HA on the flat portion of the Put Bet is:
– 33% on the 4/10
– 20% on the 5/9
– 9.09% on the 6/8.
Huge HA, right? Let’s compare a $10 Put Bet and $1000 odds with a $1010 Place/Buy bet.
– 4/10 pays $2010 on the Put, pays $1,919 on the Buy.
– 5/9 pays $1510 on the Put, pays $1414 on the Place.
– 6/8 pays $1210 on the Put, pays $1178 on the Place.
Now, when the bets are $8000 to $10,000, you can see the Put Bet can pay $1000 more than a Place/Buy bet. Technically, a Put Bet gets better than a Place bet when you have 20x odds or better.

If you do this, you will need to keep a Come Bet going, and increase the Come Bet if you’re odds bet exceeds the casino limit for your current Come Bet. In this scenario, the Put Bet is temporary until your Come Bet moves up. Otherwise, you will have to replace the Put Bet when that number is rolled, in order to keep your odds bet going.

Again, this is only worth doing if you or your friends are betting thousands of dollars in 20x odds or higher. Otherwise, I wouldn’t recommend it.

A put bet with odds makes a lot of sense, if the available odds are big enough.

Noah