The quote of the year.

What I do see is if I have the correct grip, and my finger placement is even with the correct pressure, the hard ways will come out. Concentration on finger placement and pressure will be my focus this week to see how I can adjust the 1 and 6 die outcome.

It all starts with the proper grip.

NFF

Proper grip pressure means you do not have to open your hand to get the dice to release this is a fabulous statement of the number one most important fundamental there is.

Ya buddy.

Mr. Finesse would be proud of your statement concerning the grip. He always said that the only time you had 100% control over the dice was when the dice were in your hand. After that the physical laws of nature took over.

Great post by all so far on this thread.

Rose and Doc

I have a follow-up on my throw on trying to hit the 2 and 12. I found I am concentrating heavily on keeping the dice on axis, using the hard-way set. I threw the dice till I feel I am consistant on my landing spot, and the landing angle of the dice are consistant, with the front edge, or back edge hitting , I was ready to shift my axis in my dice so the dice were not parallel to the back wall. I only had to change the parallel angle about 2 to 3 degrees, and in six throws, I threw a 2 twice, and I hit a 12 once, with no 7 outcome.
I want to make it very clear that I was on target and throwing comfortable wit my throw, before I added in the "Non Parallel Shot". I was also ahead on money for my session at that time, which eliminated a bad thought, and allowed me to stay calm and concentrate on the new variable of the shot.
I think I have found what works for me, but only when I am dead spot on, do I mess with the non-parallel axis.
Gene

Just wonder if you did this on your come out rolls with a prop bet for an added ins ?
Good Rolling. 😀 🙂

As I say in class, I will not say do not play the ATS or the Fire bet, but what I will say is to not think about those bets no matter how close you are to hitting them.

Thinking about them will throw off your game. Remember that you have much more money on the layout then what you have on those bets. Win the layout bets and those other bets will follow.

Dom

To finisher. I do not bet the other inside bets except the hard ways, and that is only if I start hitting them.
Dom is right on waiting.
The majority of the time I will be off, even a little, but on the rare occasion when I feel dead spot on and my confidence is up, I take the shot. At that time I feel I will make it happen. Not to be confused with hoping I will make the shot.

So when do you feel better about this . I think that if you feel good about your throw right off the bat . It would be great to roll them before est. a point . Then all you would need is box numbers which what we all want to throw .
Good Rolling.

For me, I have to get in a rhythm first.
My table at home is different than the others. For example, the largest casino in blackhawk has 4 craps tables. They are all different. Some have different size wedges on the back wall, and some have felt, and some have the micron fiber. All 4 tables are the same length. The bounce is different which means different padding. The casino will open up different tables every week so you do not know what you will get.(The Forest Gump syndrome).
Also, I drive a hour an 30 minutes to get to the casino and I need to get accustomed to a 8200 foot elevation, along with all the crap (excess baggage) that I have had to deal with all week. My feeling is I need to see I am throwing consistent before attempting anything out of the ordinary.
It would be great to get the 2,3,11,and 12 out of the way first, but if I could do that, the casino would probably have a word or two to say to me.
I guess I am on a journey to a perfect game.

I have seen were some will lay a box number if that is the only number that they are lacking . Do you ever do this ?

No I don’t Finisher

@finisher, never.  the only thing I might do is remove the bet that’s on it, but usually I want to stay in my zone.

I just wonder because I have seen were one has gotten down to just needing the 12 or 2 then they bet it and then the 7 comes . I have said each time to myself that I would not have done that . Just putting the Malocchio  on the roll . Some Italian thing that my father in law would say .

When I am not rolling I do a lot of things that I would not do if I was rolling . One of the big things is turning off bets when new dealer  ( stick man ) comes to table and dice go off table .

I watched a video about playing the STA that wanted you to risk less and still play it . It could be a boring way to play to some . It was were you would after 3 or more hits you would take down your bets and then if you got down to just needing one box number you would lay that for the rest of the roll . if you win that number you would loose the lay but win the STA bet . if the 7 comes you get back what you have on the table . This is done after you have gotten either the small or the tall . Which would be passed my SRR . More then likely the roll would be in the teens or greater by then .

So far in practice I have done this only 2 times with both times winning the lay . It seems easy to get to the one or two numbers needed for the STA bet but it just being one box number does not come up that often .

Good Rolling . 

Doc’s thoughts are that if you only need one number to make the STA, and you turn with the dice is in the high teens, low 20’s or greater keep using your usual hard way set and keep on trucking.  Make those box numbers.  You may me far enough into your roll that your have increase your come/pass line bets with full odds hitting those numbers have much higher probably of being made than the one number you don’t have.  

The exception for Rose and Doc is—if you make a point and you have a come out roll you might set for the one number you don’t have on the STA as you cant be hurt too bad if you hit that devil seven.  

Just a point of view from the peanut gallery.

Rose and Doc

Doc I think the main idea behind this is that you have already made money and not to lose more by just making that one lay bet which you will win either way . Also that you have gone way over your SRR at this time of the roll . Just keep rolling like you have but reducing your risk . Since you are playing with money earned . Some would call it playing in a short game . I have seen more times that players have come up short by one roll then winning the ALL .

We all need to remember why the casino has this bet . They love it when you loose it either by one number or more . The casino likes it when you throw a few box numbers then 7 out . 

This has not come up in practice with me vary much . I have usually thrown most of the box numbers and have be looking for the crap numbers to make the STA bet . So far I think that I have only done the lay twice so far . You must need only one box number for the ALL FOR THIS .

Other wise you just play as normal like you said . It would give you less tension about the roll I would hope . I like to stay with the same set no matter what I roll . I am not good enough to say what set will bring what number on any roll . So I would have no idea what set to change to if I needed a certain number .

If you are throwing the same numbers you may never reach the point were you need one box number . Which is great .

Good Rolling.

GeneK I see that you throw 10 sets of dice . Do they not get in the way when you throw . I use chips for this but only throw one set at a time .

Doc is right on – more so, never think about those bets, just play your game and if it comes – it comes – think of it as a early birthday gift. The more you think about those bets and what you need you forget that you have a nickle on that bet and much more money on the table on other bets.

 

Dom

Hey Dom that is easy to say when everybody at the table is with you trying to get you to roll that number like YELLING it out and then betting more on it to put the big M on it . just saying . then after 10 more rolls the 7 comes and what a bummer with all that money out there on the lay out . Even though your rack may be full it is a bummer .

Just thinking that if you loose less you should be winning more . When you have already are in passed your SRR .

Good Rolling.

Finisher, you know you have to zone out everything at the table and just shoot with an empty mind

 

Dom

@dominator, @ finisher,   I totally agree on zoning it out.  I hit the tall Sunday and hadn’t heard a thing when they were calling for a number.  Those are the best.  Once I’m aware, I do everything I can to forget it, getting back to Dom’s mantra…. 4,5…. 4,5…. set the dice, 4,5….4,5….. HARD NINE!!!!

@hardnine