Wonder what VDC has done to support his claims that dice sets should be changed at the drop of a hat? If he gave statistical support I would feel better about it but I doubt he has any statistics. Show your work and then we will talk. Variance and confirmation bias are all he has to back up his claims I would guess. But he obviously doesn’t realize that. And how in the #e// do you get into or stay in the zone when you are trying to interpret every bounce of the dice on every toss? I think VDC must be a dice camp of one. Great answer Dom!

The body cant fix what the mind wont let it.

We have heard many time in class that if there is a problem, the problem is not the set. It may be the grip or some element of the throw. So look elsewhere.

Rose and Doc

I am always interested in what other experts on craps have to say, but I look at what they say and do, using the foundation of knowledge and experience I gained from Dom’s books and the GTC classes.

There are dozens of craps experts, but I only know one top expert AND teacher: Dom.

An expert knows at least one way to do it right. A expert teacher knows how to do it right and breaks it all down and shows the students how to put it together to fit that student. That’s what Dom and GTC did for me. Sure, I’m an Annapolis grad and could figure out most of this, given time and lots of money, maybe. Experience might be the best teacher, but, good grief, it’s a HARD teacher.

Why go through all that pain, jumping from one expert to another until I finally found one that could help me? Nah, give me a good teacher, any day. Dom and the GTC instructors are experts and great teachers. And, with them, it’s fun.

I’ve looked at different dice sets over the last 2 years. Dom’s right – the best dice set is the one that avoids the 7 – period. What difference does it make if a dice set is more likely to hit a point you want. Hit the 7 and your out!

With the hardways set, I know exactly what my dice did to hit any number, and what I need to do to correct the problem. In my practice at home, I use one red and one green die so I don’t misinterpret a bounce.

At the casino, when I hit a problem and know I need practice time to figure out the right correction, I might change from facing 5’s (which I use to check my thumb position) to facing 4’s – just to get through that session and go home.

In my not very humble opinion, changing dice sets is the lazy and uninformed mans way of correcting errors in a throw.

It takes knowledge, experience, vigilance, awareness and an understanding of the mechanics of the throw to figure out what needs to be done to adapt to a new condition (different table, dice, felt, bounce, etc.) or to correct a flaw that has crept into ones throw.

To claim these factors can be corrected by changing sets is myopic and simplistic.

At GTC we teach you everything you need to know to develop a proper throw and what to look for to be able to analyze your throw when it goes awry.

We do this through a combination of time tested principles and techniques. A primer is taught the basics in a classroom with written material, visual aids and lectures. On the practice tables you work with experienced instructors who teach you the mechanics of the throw via hands on teaching.

You are encouraged to practice for 6 months before going to a casino. It would be advisable to take a refresher at this point to have the experts analyze your throw for any flaws which you may have developed from incorrect practice.

After sufficiently practicing what you learned in the refresher you will be a force to reckon with at the tables.

All this requires hard work and dedication.

Changing dice sets is easy and will not produce consistent results. There are no short cuts to success. Proven methods are the only path to winning in this skill based endeavor.

I could not tell you how many rotations my dice make in any throw and have no idea what set that would change the out come . If you can do that I think that is great . I just want to avoid that 7 .
I still hate it when they would say that is a good 7 in class .
I feel that it is not the set but the other things that we can control . We just need to find out what they are and try to fix the wrong things we do .
I do make sure that my nails are not toooooo long .
That will show you little things do count .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀 😛 🙂

WOW Preacher – I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your reply and praise about all the instructors in Golden Touch!

Dom

Here is what I have found for me. I throw the 2V set. Either 6/3 or 6/4 at my thumb. 6/4 tends to bring about 20% more 8’s and 6/3 tends to bring 20% more 6’s. If
my point is 4, 5, 8, or 10 I use the 6/4. If the point is 6 or 9 I use the 6/3. Dom was correct when he suggested I change to the 6/4 and I get many more 4’s and 10’s.

I roll too many double pitches to use the hardway set. Eats my bankroll like a hungry wolf. The 2V or 3V is not for everyone and before you use it practice a few thousand,
like 5000, rolls and track the results.

OMC

This guy, Full Press, on YouTube has a series of recent videos showing how he uses the "Yuri" grip with an all-7 dice set. Mind you, he’s not trying to hit a 7. He does this to avoid a 7.

He stacks the dice like the Tower of Pizza (an Italian reference I thought Dom would appreciate) leaning at 30 degrees. He grips the dice on the edges, instead of the dice faces. It results in a tremendous backspin.

It’s a wild approach that works for him to avoid the 7 for 20+ throws, at least on a hard table.

https://youtu.be/eq4un7nw1Ik

I’m glad I found GTC before seeing this, because the practice required to get this approach to work would be immense, and probably fail for all but a few.

Still, it’s interesting. There is a lot to dice and table physics.

It’s funny to use an all-7 set to avoid a 7. It’s like trying to slap fate in the face. Ha.

What is missing on ALL videos is other bets out there . When I practice I have the pass line filled with bets like it is a full table . 1,000 throws is not enough . There was a guy on this site that said his SRR was 24 . I no longer see him on this site tho .
This is a JOURNEY that we are on so not to worry about your SRR .It will go up and down .
If you find a video that has lots of bets in play let me know .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

All I know is that if my SRR was 24 I would quit my day-job tomorrow and live in the casinos for as long as they would let me, which I would guess would not be too long 😀

JB, if your SRR was 24 on a consistent basis Rose and Doc would move to your location and never roll as we would not have time since we would be betting on you. 😆 😆

Preacher and everyone else –

I am not going to be humble here – This video and any others like this is why I say STOP looking at these videos!

1. Someone says that their SR – (doesn’t even know that it SRR and calls the pyramids Alligator – jezz) is 22 after 1000 rolls doesn’t understand statistics and trials. it takes 5000 trials to have any kind of accurate statistic.

2. An SRR of 22 and he talks about taking down his bets – regression – People with that kind of SRR he is costing himself money!

3. The throw does not have a basis in the physics of a moving projectile in the air

4. He says he doesn’t take odds – the best bet you can make on the table because it doesn’t carry and vig! Jezzzzz!

5. he isn’t the first one to say or come up with a throw that utilizes the all 7 set. Jerry Patterson did this 15 years or so ago and he called it "Magic"

People please if you are so inclined to look at other videos because you think you might learn something more than you are learning from GTC you won’t and it will just screw up your mind and your throw. 15 years ago JP introduced "Magic". We were there. We have tried it all. And if some cockamamy throw worked we would still be using it!

Dom

Dom, I do remember a couple of years back, asking about changing my set….You NAILED me. NOOOO !! If I remember your answer correctly. Grip and Practice, short reply. Having our cadre for sounding is PRICELESS.
I am driving the results, and paid for a few of wife’s conferences. A great journey.
Shoot in turn and with passion, DavidM

😉

Dom, you’re right, of course. It’s a crazy throw. But, if someone calls their dice set "Magic", which is more reliable: Magic or Luck? Ha

Perhaps I’m being selfish or possessive, but, when I saw this video, I felt sorry for him and, not that he would appreciate the advice, I thought of directing him to GTC, but …

After year of research and trial with much error, I made it to GTC. Now, I don’t want to share it, except with my sons and friends. Is that wrong? No need to answer. I mean, the Lord commands me to share the Good News, which I do gladly (I’m not called Preacher for nothing). But, I’m not ready to share this.

Hi Preacher,

I’ve been enjoying your posts. Here’s another way to think about guiding people to the GTC way. The more people that learn how to become an advantage player and who work to develop the skills, the more likely you are to encounter another great shooter at the tables. Just something to ponder.

jb

Was it just me or did you notice the custom landing zone that you will not find any where or maybe the fact I figure he was throwing from about 13 to 15 feet four full steps from the front of his landing zone that is a hike.

Nice entertainment.