I know what you mean. The last time I played at a certain Detroit casino, while in the process of throwing the dice, my hand was hit by flying chips. TWICE!!

" So please welcome chicken feeders to the table. Don’t dismiss them or ridicule them. Just use good judgement when betting on them."

Scooter, just messing with you about your past post regarding if the world needs chicken feeders? 😀

We have to remember that they are the majority and know nothing about the game they play. It is all alcohol, fun and luck in their minds. Especially a holiday weekend is going to be prime time for crowds of drunk idiots. They don’t have a clue about what we are trying to do and wouldn’t believe it if we told them. I doubt chiding will do any good in 99% of the people who play.

I feel your frustration as I have definitely experienced it with my share of random rollers. I think your solution of playing in off hours and on reserved tables is a good one. Like you said, you can’t hold back a flooding river with only your two hands.

Dice are Out!

This is a great thread. Rose and Doc very seldom go to a casino on a weekend and never on a holiday weekend such as New Year’s, Super Bowl, Memorial Weekend (which was this past weekend) etc. Too crazy for us. Even during a class weekend we usually don’t play much on the weekend. Simply too many chicken feeders and tables way too crowded. We hate it when a table is super crowded with 14 players and only the two of us as GTC players. During a class weekend we go on Wed prior to class and leave the following Wed. This gives us a couple of days prior and after the class. When it is crowded we have our rolls and if it will be 1 to 1 1/2 hours before we see the dice again, we color up and leave. Doc finds it less costly to take Rose shopping!!!!! On non class trips to the casino we usually go to the casino on a Sunday and stay 3 or 4 nights. As mentioned we do like to play in the AM, usually 8 or 9 in the morning, as most of the drunks or in bed. Don’t like to get up at 3 am as this is too early for us.

Doc

Agreed, it’s part of "normal" play, but when in Vegas in early May, it was the worst I’ve ever experienced. the absolute worst is walking up to an empty table. You may get 1-4 rolls in but then the flood gates are opened. New people, cash thrown in your landing zone, and the initial flurry of bets. In my 4 days there, I can specifically recall just two people who held their money back, and I literally walked over and thanked them afterwards. I’m sure there were a few others, but their attention to etiquette was obvious and stood out to me.

I’ve seen Scooter concentrate through those situations, and I know so many of you can. Me, I stink at it, so as I’ve seen Doc post, I try to create distractions myself at home, and my Malamutes help too when they come up with a toy and want to play and I’ll concentrate and make a shot. So if you need distractions for practice, get a dog! 😀 Hmmmm, maybe I’ll install a machine on the ceiling to just randomly drop chips!!!

I find it even more deplorable, that a group of people buy in while you are in the middle of a point cycle on an almost empty table (there was 3 total).

Then after you are done, you color up, and one of them comes up to you and asks "have you taken a class"?

Of course my answer was no. They proceed to say, it seems that you have, as the way you were holding the dice and having the prime spot, etc …. So of course I had to ask them if they did. They responded with an empathetic yes, in Vegas. So, I had to ask who offered anything like that. They proceeded to tell me they think they guys name was Bo (I think spelled Beau from the search I did). I was like interesting, and proceed to the cashier cage. Obviously not a very good impression if he couldn’t remember the person’s name, so pretty sure not a GTC member.

Moral of the story is, Mr Beau, or random person asking if I took a class (And hopefully stalking this site) … To me, first Etiquette of craps if you are going to teach anything to anyone … NO MID-ROLL BUY INS … If the puck is on, money stays in your hand or pocket. If you are in a group, it is your responsibility to make sure the people you are with don’t make this mistake as well, even if they don’t know, you should tell them before you all walk up on a table. I even asked the stick person if it would be okay for me to ask all of them to be sure to put up at least 1 bet, since it was so important for them to buy in at that time.

To me, the second Etiquette would be …. KNOW WHERE TO PUT YOUR CHIPS …. I know, I should be able to move my spot, but I’m not that experienced, and it made it impossible when there were pass lines, odds, come bets, and someone forgetting their odd’s on a come bet, so dropped them behind their pass line odds. Even the dealer told them that they could just hold them in their hand & they would book the bet for them.

There, got that off my chest … carry on!!!

We always play at the same casino in AC, and we are always tipping, whether we are winning or not. Many times we have encountered people with very poor etiquette at the tables. When I see money being thrown on the table, i tell the stick man to take back the dice until the player is ready. When there are late bets, I do the same thing. Usually, if the floor supervisor knows us, they will say, "No bet," and then the player doesn’t do it again. Unfortunately, too many players are not familiar with table etiquette, and all the supervisor cares about is getting more money in action. If late bets do continue, Sandtrap has been known to say, "I won’t tip any more if you don’t stop the late bets." That frequently works, and if not, then we leave.

We also tend to play early in the morning when the table is empty, or almost empty. The dealers and supervisors know us, and usually take care of us.

Goddess

Eyea,

We have all run into people as are mentioned in this thread. Doc has a standard answer when asked if he has taken a class—"no will not take one of those expensive classes but I did read a book and probably paid too much for the damn book!!" That usually shuts them up and often if not, it get a good laugh.

Rose simply says " my husband read a book and tells me to play this way. It can’t hurt."

on top of Goddess’ notes, I was at a table last week and the guy to my left was a dark-sider and kept complaining to all about one shooter who was shorting his throws and it was affecting him. The mgt told the shooter it was his last roll, kept reminding him, but the DS’r kept yelling. Now in the mean time, the DS’r kept throwing in late bets, including reaching across from SL2 to the Don’t Come. So when the next shooter started, I asked the mgt to stop him from breaking the rules with the late bets. The guy questioned me and I said "you’re making late bets, that’s against the rules and I know you care about the rules".

Late bets ended and he stopped complaining and after a couple of buy-ins lost, he left. Was fun, and had it worked out before the dice got to me.

Ya but what about the time when most of your crew bought into the middle of a roll yes it was a cfer shooting but karma.

lmao, never expect from others what you are not willing to do your self, bad habits are tuff to break.

bo parker aka the dice coach.

Do not forget about the guys who shot out of position or from different sides the same day what are you there just to shot, why give up your advantage?

Bman you are so right. All this talk about etiquette from people that have no association with GTC is a waste of time. I get why people are upset. When I first started so many CFers would do whatever they wanted to do. Throw in late bets, buy in at anytime etc etc. It would not only drive me crazy but it would ruin my concentration and I would walk away a loser. If it is a GTC disciple and they do someone outside of the commandments maybe give them the stank eye or better yet talk to them later. But to give so much energy to things you just can’t control, I think, is a waste of time. If someone is pissing you off, pull up your bets and play later, at another casino, a different table or another time. I think that is what GTC tries to teach us. When the conditions are not right, for WHATEVER reason, don’t play.
Just my many cents

The Contractor

this is why you and I won almost always yes I no we had two losing trips but that was two out of eleven those where the days my friend.

When the dice are ready to be passed to the next shooter, I buy in before the shooter starts his roll. I always say no action, so that the shooter is not delayed. I am going to 5 count the shooter anyway.

OK, all of this talk of the problem being us is killing me! You mean I have a choice of how to react when a CFer throws his cash in my line?!?! You mean I have a choice of how I react when someone throws in a late bet?!?! Seriously! It’s their fault I’m pissed off, not mine!

I’m definitely allowing these things to get in my head and you all are absolutely right. Get my head out of my keester, concentrate on and control what I can control, or get out. Point taken, and definitely working on it. Dom had told a story in one class about a memory of him, his bride to be, and his in-laws to be that he cherishes as one of his life’s best moments, and I believe he said he grabs his wedding ring and gives it a couple of turns to bring himself back there, and his focus and "calm" is back. I try to use that and other offerings here to help my own short tempered reactions at the table. My fellow Chicago Wrecking Crew mates tend to remind me as well. 😀

To the calm and concentration that brings the money home!!!

Seriously!! Yes!!! We are telling you that you have a CHOICE in how you react to everything in life including whatever happens at the Craps table. It is NOT their fault you are pissed off!! You do NOT have any control over how they act but you ALWAYS have a choice in how you react. "React" is the important word here. If you are pissed off then it IS your fault. You can CHOOSE not to be pissed off.

Like Contractor said earlier in this thread. If we can’t control the reaction and it is negative then we walk away from that table or session etc. It’s all about our discipline and the money good discipline will create. No, Hard Nine I am not picking on you. It is a lesson we ALL have to remember and repeat to become advantage players.

OK, off the soap box now! 😀
Dice are Out!

If you go to LV, expect that type of behavior — it happens ALL over the plce — especially on $5 and $10 tables

The only way to eliminate the CF-ers and the idiots out there is to play on a $50 or $100 table …..but, not many of us have the bankroll or tolerance for that level.

So, we either learn how to deal with it (react differently), leave the table and not play, or build a 401-G to play on a higher limit table

It’s up to us to change, not the CF-ers because they don’t care, don’t know what’s going on, and don’t believe in someone that knows how to shoot.

All you need to do is become the dragon warrior.

This trip I thought that there was going to be a fight at the table . It was all about a wife or better half talking to a roller during his roll and trying to bye in at the same time .It had nothing to do with some one that was GTC .
I was surprised that one guy even said any thing about how it should have been .The other guy did not even know what he was saying except that it was about his wife .
Some things are best left un said till a better time .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀