Thought I’d share with you some shooting stats from our last Chicago Wrecking Crew team shoot “Assault on the HMS Bounty-ful” – 2016 version.
First some background to frame up the event.
– We had a reserve table at a local casino – 12 footer
– The throwing conditions were void of distractions (late bets, arguing with box crew, people buying in, squeezers)
– There were 6 shooters and 8 blockers – total 14 (two blockers "CF-ers" shot but did not keep their stats)
– There were 20 individual rolls by the shooters
– There was a total of 212 times the dice were tossed
– 26 sevens were thrown, 6 of which were on come-outs
– 10 of the 20 rolls did not qualify for the 5 count
– There were 3 PSO’s thrown out of 37 point cycles
– Collective SSR was 8.15 (212/26) / SSR range 5.0 to 11.67
– Without 7’s on the come out SSR was 10.30 (206/20) / SSR range 4.0 to 14.25
– Top 5 rolls were 36/29/28/22/18
– There were 17 points made out of 37 point cycles
– Box numbers (4-5-6-8-9-10) thrown per shooter ranged from 64.29 to 88.89., average was 73.11 which is above the random distribution of 66.67%.
– Inside numbers (5-6-8-9) thrown per shooter ranged from 46.67 to 61.11, average was 52.83 which is above the random distribution of 50%.
Conclusion:
10 five-count non-qualifiers out of 20 for controlled shooters at the event supports the notion you should use 5 count on all shooters.
** Question – at what sustained level would you not use the five count?
SSR of 8.15 was 2.15 above norm of 6. It was well above the 6.23, therefore it was a statistical advantage for the attendees.
Box numbers and inside numbers thrown show some control but not a high enough percentage, nor is the 212 an ideal sample size. The shooters still need to hone their skills.
There was no data gathered on whether come or place betting was better. But the prevailing sense was come betters fared slightly better. It depends on how much you press or how much odds you put behind.
Don’t know if the 17 points made out of 37 point cycles is above or below the mark. I guess it depends on which points were established for the point cycle.
Anyway, the team is still in its infancy and will continue to track its progress. We have another team shoot planned and will report out how much wrecking we do.
Scooter
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Posted by: Skinny on March 22, 2016, 10:50 pm
I would suggest one other stat if you are interested. I think it is worthwhile to find out which players made/lost/broke even. The best way to measure it is in terms of your initial amount at risk.
Posted by: Scooter on March 22, 2016, 11:40 pm
Yes, that is indeed the yardstick to measure the success.
After our team shoot at the comp-ed buffet, the team was polled as to win/loss and how much. One of our blockers (still a novice) said he broke even. He was basically betting place bets single level and not pressing. He is still learning the ropes. Totally we collectively walked away with $28,400. One ATS bet of $25 across by a blocker netted him $6425. He ended up at $6500. The rest were all in the $1-2-3K range.
For most of us it is far safer to throw in numbers/teams. We’re trying to stay under the radar and avoid casino heat. Time will tell.
Posted by: Skinny on March 23, 2016, 4:22 am
That is great. I suspected it was a positive session and your winnings do indeed bear that out.
I also mentioned "initial amount at risk" as the yardstick against which you should be measuring your wins. I have 1 article and 2 posts I would like your team and you to review. After reading them you will understand why I am discussing this concept. It is a mathematical term that I am using here to give folks insight into how they can analyze their wins/losses realistically. It gives you a measuring tool that can be helpful.
This article describes the term "initial amount at risk" and how you can use it.
How much should I be winning at the tables?
This post in the wisdom section may give some insight into what it takes to be successful at the tables.
Make your money on the 10+ to 20+ rolls
The next post is a thread that has a couple of responses by me. In one of them I go into more detail on the "initial amount at risk". I think several of the posts in this thread are worth reading.
Point Wins
Let me know what your thoughts are after you review this material.
Posted by: Scooter on March 23, 2016, 10:35 pm
Thanks for the links. I’ve taken the time to read them. It’s great food for thought and to establish some discipline in one’s game. Our group of GTC shooters is very diverse. All have different thresholds, risk-tolerance levels and disciplines.
I’m going to copy those posts and send them to all as – food for thought.
Scooter
