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Trip report: first refresher in Atlantic City

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Really terrific experience, Dom & co. push students for results and it was good to have the time to really work on the throw and focus. I think I made huge progress. Friday I unkinked my grip. Saturday, I fully understood the soft throw for the first time. Sunday, I got drilled on the fundamentals, hard.

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Story time
Sunday night, I met with D—–, one of the primer students, and I don’t know his handle. He was the most interesting student, to me: he was taking the class before ever having played on a table. He was going to have his maiden voyage that night. He took it seriously. A good novice makes the questions in lecture drag a bit. Like a table running cold is for the dealers, a total novice is for the instructors, because they can cruise with some of their best material on easy topics. It was still very fun, since he was earnestly working on the throw in practice. No bad habits to undo! Not an addict already to some horrible bet. Literally his first exposure will be to being lectured to bet right and not be an idiot. Is that not the best first lesson you could possibly have? It’s probably the equivalent of just happening to know the right grip without having a lot of training.

He and I talked about it at the end of the last day, and I’d offered to shepherd him through it — my best throws are coming from SL2 on short tables, anyway. It’s really convenient for training a novice, and I’ll do the same thing with my real life friends who don’t play: I will sometimes bring them to the casino, put them next to me at an empty table. Then I’ll stake them a couple hundred or so, that being basically a ten-throw seven out when you get gutted by bad timing. I stand with them and let them throw and have the advantage of stickperson exposure etc. I explain the basics, and clearly explain what happens and see if they understand it.

I had been at a table that had fits and starts, a couple of really great throws by Advanced Guy Philly — forgotten his name. I offered to move to a new table that had — quick aside, what the f is this? One sign was orange, one sign was green and the digits said ten dollars. Not that I can’t figure out what is authoritative, but can’t you have your shit together enough to have your signs consistent you’re Caesar’s Palace for chrissake — I opened a table where D—– could observe me clearly, and I had SL1 and 2 blocked.

Had a pretty sick throw, got in the zone and was in the teens[1] when a mom and daughter approached the table with a green chip’s worth of red & white chips between ’em. I threw silently for about six more throws, hitting the two numbers they’d bet (Mom had 6-8, daughter had the 9: "9s my favorite!".) Daughter is probably 19, very white and blonde and lithe. Mom is short and big, but bubbly and really charming and you can see her good traits in her daughter, etc. I obviously got to know them a little.

It was in the mid-twenties when I sevened out, never hitting the 4 but tons of eights and nines, making them have huge barber poles of chips in their racks. They’re of course overjoyed.

It lets me get D—– in and I get him settled, bought in and ready to bet. It’s daughter’s turn to throw. She whips the dice across the table and they come skittering back. Uh oh. I five count her, and talk him through it. She makes two points and hits a bunch of C&E. We have to wait, but the mood is elevating.

She showers me in come bet odds. I pretty much can’t lose from then on, going from $400 to nearly $900 on her throw. She hits the ATS, and a couple people are roaring.

These two guys start to push in, loudly, next to me on the hook to my left and to her right. I point out that she’s shooting — I have a good routine for this, you guys probably do, too. I see a badge in the guy’s wallet nearest to me. There’s this scuffle as three to five guys try to scuffle for two positions between us. It’s rude and I admonish them. The air goes cold and stale. Shooter clearly feels it, she’s a little upset. I realize my part in it and try to reverse it: I give her a little gentle reassurance. It’s cool — everyone’s already rich, you’re good. We’re happy!

The funny thing? They’d muscled their way onto the table to put money on the Field. 🙄

I’ve been quietly coaching her on what’s happening as the roll goes on. Mom was also super quick on the math, you could talk to her as an expert and she got it. She rolled four points, three numbers, fifth point. I have had this side to myself: quietly explaining what’s happening to D—–, guiding her through a long roll. Relaxing her when she gets too excited, letting her concentrate on battering the chip stacks with her high-velocity dice.

She rolls three more already covered points with a bunch of numbers. Sets the four, has probably seven more throws and then hits it. Three players on the table had it, two with nickels.
/Story Time
I’ll post more if I come up with it. I want to call out Randman (for being inspirational), Goddess (for being insistent on the correct fundamentals) and Sandman for his wisdom and terrific bowling analogies. Thanks, you all, that was special to me.

This is the "mission complete" sound from a video game I used to play…

[1] I don’t count my throws, it’s too much trouble. I’d love to have them counted, but I don’t want to count them.


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Posted by: ACPA on March 22, 2016, 12:09 am

There is a table at Margaretville in Vegas that often is $5 on one end and $10 on the other.

Noah

Posted by: Finisher on March 22, 2016, 6:21 am

So which end are you at ?
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Posted by: ACPA on March 22, 2016, 3:11 pm

I’m at SL1 which is usually the $5 end.

Noah

Posted by: HardNine on March 22, 2016, 3:33 pm

Berto,

Can’t wait for our first outing under the new, refreshed Berto! Things were looking good Sat night, and I’m sure your Sunday was even better. See you Saturday? I’ll count for you!

Posted by: Berto on March 22, 2016, 5:23 pm

"ACPA" wrote: There is a table at Margaretville in Vegas that often is $5 on one end and $10 on the other.

Noah

Is this some inside joke I don’t get?

Posted by: ACPA on March 22, 2016, 6:32 pm

No joke, someone complained about going to a table that had two different limit signs and how dumb the dealers were to not get it right and I simply commented about a table in Vegas where each half of the table had deliberate different limits for the players. Not an error.

Noah

Posted by: brothelman on March 22, 2016, 6:45 pm

It is not for the players it is because they advertise 5 dollars craps, so they put half the table at 5 to qualify there advertising requirement’s.

Posted by: HardNine on March 22, 2016, 7:55 pm

I think it was your original post that noted the signs were different colors vs. different amounts, one orange, one green, both said $10.

Posted by: ACPA on March 22, 2016, 10:32 pm

BMan, For what it is worth, last trip to Vegas there was some time that this table was open with $10 for all the table.

Noah

Posted by: Berto on March 22, 2016, 11:01 pm

The Ten Man threw like magic, too, more than once. Dom made us all 😯 by calling the dice in the air exactly on the numbers they fell one entire hand.

Posted by: brothelman on March 23, 2016, 2:27 pm

Ten is the norm at that table but when they are advertising 5 dollars craps on the marquee they make one side 5, only when they are advertising it and it doesn’t last all day they change it when the add stops.

Posted by: Mr Finesse on March 23, 2016, 5:23 pm

Berto,
It was a pleasure working with you last week. The Tune Up you took on Friday set the tone for your entire weekend.

Work on that grip and practice everything we worked on in the Refresher Class.

You will be a great player.

Remember we are here to help. If you have any questions you have my email.

Posted by: $$Money Shot$$ on March 24, 2016, 2:58 am

Thanks Berto for the compliment. I still have a long way to go, but I’m definitely starting to see more consistency in my toss. You are a good shooter as well. Keep working hard. I like your shot. You have a ton of potential and I look forward to reading about your monster rolls in the future. I’m still mad that I missed the good roll you had, but I was just too infatuated with the masterpiece of a roll that Nick@Night was having at the other table. Nick is a monster and I can only hope to achieve that level of greatness.

Posted by: HardNine on March 24, 2016, 12:48 pm

Don’t we all! We all need a target to shoot for! We have several!

Ten, bummer we didn’t get to shoot more this weekend, but you obviously got what you wanted by taking the Advanced. So let’s get together, yeah, yeah, yeah (name that movie).

Posted by: Skinny on March 24, 2016, 1:16 pm

The Parent Trap?

Posted by: HardNine on March 24, 2016, 1:37 pm

Nicely done, Skinny!

Posted by: TheLion on March 24, 2016, 3:26 pm

Good seeing everyone this weekend

HardNine — awesome job on Saturday at the Flagship with that 40+ roll

I wish I could have hit that 4th point on the fire with my 30-roll right after the late Saturday lunch — it would have given me a chance to get the 5th or 6th one set-up which would have changed my bankroll for the trip

Sunday afternoon at the Flagship was a disaster though — the Princess and I left early after seeing too many (try 90% + ) of the same 7-out combination on the dice

Posted by: HardNine on March 24, 2016, 4:33 pm

Yep Lion, we didn’t like the conditions Sunday, did a quick run down the boardwalk for some match play, made a small profit shooting with Sandtrap for a quick session, and left before we could meet back up with you. Catch you next time around, thanks for the lounge meal, hope to be there soon!

Catch the fire before it’s gone! 😆 Looks like the ATS is the fad, but hey, I’ve shot the full 3 times in 4 months, money on it obviously when we were with you… more from that than the fires save a 6 down in Shreveport by a refresher.

Take care, hugs to our Princess

Posted by: Berto on March 25, 2016, 1:07 pm

Said to one of the pit supervisors who’d been standing in the box the whole time we’d been shooting: "Damn, Cynthia, they should get you a chair!"