This is a very motivational post as it shows what the rewards can be playing strictly in accordance with what Golden Touch preaches (i.e. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, AND MORE PRACTICE; use the 5-Count on every shooter, calculate your edge, and bet into your edge).

These principles seem very simplistic, yet they are difficult to adhere too. Not seeing the immediate benefits of something can be disheartening and can often cause even the most disciplined individual to change course. Patience truly is a virtue and your post is a direct reflection of that. I was able to have some very large wins this past year.

However, I must admit that the gambler in me ended up being my biggest downfall. Each big win brought with it the propensity to continue chasing after more big wins. Crazy crapper bets (i.e. Putting $500.00 on the Hard Ten which I have hit on several occasions. However, it still is not a smart bet to make over the long run. Making high house edge bets such as placing the 5 and the 9 or betting the Hard Ways, etc.) My decisions put me in a lot of bad predicaments and I made a ton of mistakes. Shooting when I was fatigued, staying at the table for abnormal amounts of time, not putting in the proper amount of practice time, thinking I am better than I actually am, and most detrimental of all, not betting properly in proportion to my bankroll.

I took a Primer Class and two Refresher classes and have been able to develop a very good shot. However, I thought I was hot stuff and would make unreasonable decisions. Thus, I have suffered some pretty big losses throughout this year as well. This is a very good post and forces much self-reflection. It is a reminder that all GTC principles must be implemented during play if you expect to be a winner in the long run.

The instructors are not telling you something they heard, they are telling you something they know. I have dedicated myself to becoming more disciplined in the art of what GTC preaches and putting in the appropriate amount of practice time to become proficient at this game. I want to be a consistent winner or at the very least, a very hard “out.” Discipline will make that happen.

JesJac and Tenman,

You made our day. Both of you are certainly on lthe right track. We would only add one thing—remember we are the casino with the edge. It is not an edge that will beat the crazy crapper bets with a hight casino edge but for sure will, over time, beat the low edge bets–think pass / come bet with odds, place the 6 and 8, and buy the 4 and 10 for $25 where the vig is paid on wins only. The GTC way is not a quick gamblers mentality of making a hugh win on the prop bets in the middle of the table, but one of "slugging it out" and letting our edge take over for a long run win over our life time. This is what the casinos are doing. Yes there will be ups and downs, but with the math in our favor we will win over time if we pratice our throw and bet correctly.

So glad to see this thread.

Rose ad Doc

PS—JesJac, good to see you down south last month.

Great comments!
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Thanks Doc,

You are right on point when you say "slugging it out." That is exactly what this game is. A good ole fashion slug fest and I have to keep myself reminded of that fact. I find it hard sometimes to tame the Marine in me and my aggressive and competitive nature reign supreme. I make the low house edge bets (2% or lower as described in the books and as instructed in the classroom), however, I’ll go after the Hard Ways or I’ll place the 4 and the 10 on a consistent basis. Those aggressive ways have to cease if I want to reach my maximum potential as an Advantage Player. Thank you for the advice.

Try this as far as hardway……

For the next 5 trips to the casinos put an amount away…. Maybe let’s use the example of $20, any amount you want… Just for hardway betting. Keep track of this. As you play your hardways from this initial amount… Wins and losses. See if you have a profit after 5 sessions

Dom

Here is something I do and it may be good or bad depending on how you look at it but it does work for me. I only make 2 or 3 trips to the casino in a year so my circumstances are different from many others. But when I go I usually stay at least a week and usually more like 10 days to 2 weeks.

For each trip I designate an amount of "crazy money" that I can use for an entire trip. Usually for me it is something like $25 per trip and sometimes I don’t even spend it all. This crazy money allows me to make a Fire bet or other feature bet or even a crazy hedge bet or something that I basically never bet. Then when I want to really make one of these crazy bets I don’t have to feel guilty or think about it too much. As long as I have crazy money I can bet it but when the crazy money is gone then it is gone and no more of those bets for the trip. These bets can be made on yourself or others. You can have a little fun but not go over board.

Once in awhile I will actually win one of these high vig bets but usually not. If I win one then I reload my crazy bet money back to $25 for that trip and take any extra and put it in my regular 401g to be used in a much better way.

You all would have to adjust this crazy money amount to your own bankroll but it does keep the discipline in check and allows you to take a crazy gamble once in awhile. Just an idea for everyone but it does seem to satisfy my Craps play.

Dice Are Out!

Hey Doc,

It was certainly a pleasure playing with you (plural) and the gang down south.

I was wondering if you have played again since and if the shoes have helped? 🙂

Love to you both,

JJ

Getagrip, you are doing something like I recommended. I actually like your idea. :))

You do keep yourself in check that way. Nice thinking!
Dom

Thanks Dom!

I was hoping by having to keep track of these bets it would help me to quit making them but I’m not there yet! 😆

Getagrip Do you ever come back to Phx. or do you just fly in from Mex. ?
Boy it has been awhile since we played .My table is starting to show signs of it age may need to get a new felt .Speaking of that does any body know were to get one for a 12 ft. table that may have new bets on it ?
There must be a place that sells the old felts that get replaced that are still in good shape .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Ask Dom. He has them.

New bets are going to be hard. Since they are copyrighted, vendors can’t sell them without paying royalty, so many places won’t. That’s coming from the experience when I ordered my custom felt and could not get the fire bet on it.

I can get you a felt finisher … give me a call if you want

Dom

Thanks for the offer will PM you when I decide .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Sorry I have not been on this c thread, enjoying thesun in Florida.

This is a great topic and all valid.points. Jesse and penman have become great GTC. Players by doing what the H
GTC team follows and preaches. Listen to their advice is is backed up by success.

If any one has a question drop me a note at my email or call me if you have my number.

I am in Tokyo right now freezing my !!! off. I like this thread because I always need a reminder. I have steadily improved and it has made a great deal of difference in my bankroll. I know that gambling and discipline will eventually have to agree with one another

I am in Tokyo right now freezing my !!! off. I like this thread because I always need a reminder. I have steadily improved and it has made a great deal of difference in my bankroll. I know that gambling and discipline will eventually have to agree with one another

Should make you jealous Doughboy.

Even here in CT it is 56 F .

Even better, the local indians today decided I am a good enough guy to buy me one of these
http://www.ocfitnesssource.com/cardio/4 … -1429.html

Mr. Finesse should be happy. He can now come to my garage and be done for the day with exercise in 6 minutes (includes walk to and from… 🙂 Rather than having to be 20 minutes on a boring machine at the gym.

By the way, I left after just two more tries not winning anything Dom… 🙂 Getting better.