There are things I absolutely hate when playing in a group. One is when people say to me as I walk up to a table … "Here you can take my spot" or when using the Chinese fire drill.

Got to ask, are the all GTC shooters?

Dom

Dom,

All 5 SL are GTC, one of the 2 SR are GTC.

I get not wanting to hear that when you walk up, but how do you note to others than you want OUT of the spot due to how you’re shooting. If I’m not feeling it and am just going to pass anyway, why not give someone a shot at it (as long as they’re GTC). I assume you and those you play with regularly have an understanding on switching, vs. just someone wanting YOU to shoot.

Don

I feel shooting more than 3 times becomes detrimental. Even more than 2 times the more i. Play.

This last trip I was on i never threw more than 3 times actually the group did this and then we left the table for a few hours. Never switched into. Spots just ended the session.

Think about doing this instead of a fire drill.

Bob is right about using the 3X’s with the dice rule.

What we do is that if someone feels like their are not shooting they just pick up their chips and move from the spot. If there are no open spots lets say at the end they just pass the dice.

My opinion on this because you have 5 people, which is a lot really at one table, is that you all shoot, and if someone doesn’t feel it, they move or pass the dice. I know it is hard to tell friends that their shot looks like crap on a given day.

I hope that you all are using the 5-count though on each other. I know that can seem weird to the dealers because their are so many of you. If you feel like you must put something on the table, go with a passline and single odds till after the 5-count. Then after the 5-count increase your odds bet on the pass line first.

Dom

I have a few questions if I may ask ?They may seem odd but some others may want to know too.
Are the dealers going to know that you all know each other ?
If they are like some dealers or pit critters that I have seen it may not be good .
Do you all leave at one time when you do leave ?
Do you have any signals that help you to do what you want to do ?
Best to take some rest room breaks during some rolls that may not be in group even if not needed .Oops just a thought .
Do you go get some thing to eat and talk about session away from table ?
Some may have others .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

I was with other shooters yesterday and out of position and just passed the dice. I qualified all shooter and didn’t make as much as they did but did win.

Noah

From our perspective, if some moves will be made it is important to not make a big deal out of it. If your shot is not working simply pick up your chips and move to another open spot. A GTC player who has been out of position can move over into the preferred spot. Or you can color up, leave the table, walk around for a few minutes and come back to an end of the table position so you can block.

Just don’t make a major disruption with the change.

As Finisher indicated, have some idea as to what will happen should some one not want to continue throwing.

Finesse is correct 3 or 4 max times around the table and it is time to move on. Take a break and come back later. Have some coffee, play a little full pay VP, or a well dealt BJ game where you can use Speed Count. We know it is hard to stop when you are in position, there is only the one table and it may be hard if not impossible to get your position back. BUT not playing may be better than staying in position and losing money on "chicken feeders" as the dice go around the table and when you turn comes around your shot off and you are losing money.

Just a few thought from the peanut gallery.

Rose and Doc

"Finisher" wrote: I have a few questions if I may ask ?They may seem odd but some others may want to know too.
Are the dealers going to know that you all know each other ?
If they are like some dealers or pit critters that I have seen it may not be good .
Do you all leave at one time when you do leave ?
Do you have any signals that help you to do what you want to do ?
Best to take some rest room breaks during some rolls that may not be in group even if not needed .Oops just a thought .
Do you go get some thing to eat and talk about session away from table ?
Some may have others .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Thanks for all of the comments, I’m on board with those for sure. To note, these casinos are ten minutes apart and are close to home (within a few hours for a couple, under an hour for most). One is a TR property, and they act very differently to us than the palatial place in AC. The other we’re going to next month is a MyC property and are excited we’re coming. One of us is a regular there.

To Finisher’s questions;
The dealers absolutely know as we are actually reserving a table for the group. The first time we got a table, it was a walk up but they still knew we had a group. This allowed other CFers to join. The next time and for the upcoming session, we actually have a reserved table only for us. With additional folks coming to block who may roll once (I know Bob likes this from our visit to CT) we have enough folks who don’t 5 count and have minimal center action to keep the dice moving. Both places are absolutely thrilled to have us (at least for now), and we’ll switch each time, about every 2 months. One of the places is where I play regularly, as well as Berto, and lately, Scooter (not on forum at moment). We know a lot of the dealers, box, and floor people.
We all show up at the same time, but do filter out over time, and eventually lose the table reservation, but are on the last circuit at that point.
A few of us debrief after the session, a lot more via email or a discussion. We’re also starting to have tournaments at 2 of our homes and debrief there further. We’re smoothing out what blockers should/shouldn’t do, etc. as they’re new to the method, but get what we’re asking.

The first shoot, looks like we went around 4x, but had no need to shift. The second, 5 x around, again, no shifting, but did have one who didn’t shoot. We get around quickly as most are passing. We’re not (yet) getting heat as we’re obviously not having hot hands on every turn. There are plenty of short rolls, and we have several who bet out of the gate and that should keep the house happy, little center action so the dice keep moving, which they love.

I very much agree with not disrupting things. We just need to agree on how moves are made; I like the pick up the chips and let the others float in on their noticing that I’ve moved. And once out, you stay put.

Before I chime in a couple of questions?

Are you there to win or have fun?

Who among you understand the game the best, and do they understand what the shoot is to look like and how it is to react.

Sl2 on a 14fter bad limited control if any, and then to even think about shooting from 3 man that is like throwing from the moon and the only thing that goes on on the moon is the moon walk.

"Mr Finesse" wrote: I feel shooting more than 3 times becomes detrimental. Even more than 2 times the more i. Play.
Think about doing this instead of a fire drill.

This makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. If you shoot guns, you can’t just do infinite target practice and stay consistent. Shoot pool? Takes years of practice to be able to run balls over and over. This is controlled athletic work, and luck is liable to make even good performance look crappy if you hit the pyramids wrong. I think it’d be hard to be on and slamming point after point all afternoon without getting super lucky.

"brothelman" wrote: Before I chime in a couple of questions?

Are you there to win or have fun?

Who among you understand the game the best, and do they understand what the shoot is to look like and how it is to react.

Sl2 on a 14fter bad limited control if any, and then to even think about shooting from 3 man that is like throwing from the moon and the only thing that goes on on the moon is the moon walk.

bman, we don’t actually shoot from SL3, but scoot into SL2. I’ve actually had 2 of my 3 longest rolls from that position, and that’s where Berto was on his recent 50 minute tear. The house hasn’t complained about doing that……… yet 😀

Also where I had my recent 2 roll PSO… 🙄 I’m on a hell of a streak!

/ / / Hard Nine and I are in Chicagoland

Hard Nine …. are in the CT area?

I hate reserved tables BTW, actually I will not play on one. All eyes are on you and drawing too much attention to what you are doing. Man, do I hate that idea of a reserved table! IMHO of course 😉

Dom

I agree with Dom, a reserved table does nothing but put all the eyes on you.

We have enough trouble just drifting in because of the way we play.

Try to play without drawing attention, it’s more fun.

Dom, my CT comments were related to 2 trips that BigDaddy-Revs and I made up there. I’m generally shooting in Chicago/NW IN houses, many times with Berto, or when I’m in NJ every month, to the PA houses with BDR.

The risk of the reserved table is very much on our minds, especially as we get too many GTCers involved. We are filling the table with CFer friends, but we will absolutely have to watch reactions in the short term and back off if necessary. Berto and I get together often enough to win on average without the group shoot (as long as we can squash the PSO’s!), but they are fun! Granted, we’ve only had 2 so far, one with the ahead of time reservation, so we’ll tread very carefully and switch houses each time, so will only hit each house 2-3 times per year as a group. Your advice is absolutely appreciated and exactly why I came to the forum with the question.

gman, do you reserve or just show up when Six Shooters go at it?

I have played VERY little in a group as I prefer a empty table . I have had dealers say now that they are all gone you will have a good roll .I also find that the table does get full real fast at times .
When I did play the first time with other GTCers it was fun . I just did not like the idea to move over to get closer even tho I was out of position at the table . I thought that would bring to much heat .
We had a great time even tho one dealer walked around the table and came up to me and said that I could no longer shoot the dice but could gamble all I wanted to .Since at that time I had not taken the class yet WE all had a good laugh about it .
The others players at the table (cfers) made a big deal about it and were kind of upset that I said nothing . I just left and said its their game . Meet with the group since I was driving all of us .We had a good laugh on the way back to our casinos .I have not been back to that casino and did get an offer to go there from ACPA BUT WE WENT SOME WERE ELSE WERE HE IS LIKED .It was good he can shoot from l .
I think we talked a lot more then we shoot . We all had a great time .
They stopped me from playing for NOT hitting the wall enough . By the time I got hitting the wall down it was to late .Ev en tho I was a looser they did not like me not hitting the wall .Do to my betting I lost were others made money on my roll which happens . 😳
Good rolls in your group play .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Ah yes … not hitting the wall …. A big No – NO 😀

Dom

Okay so you stand at three but slide over to 2, but since someone’s money is in two you probably only get to 2.5 tough to control it from there.

Okay so when you and berto play you win most of the time.

When you play in the bigger group it is a lot of fun.

Okay here I go a group of four great, but when you add the 5th or 6th here is what happens the 4 shoot 3 times and it is time to go and recharge your batteries, but instead of leaving you stay so numbers 5 and 6 can shoot, but they have been at the table already standing for a hour or more so they to should be off to rest and recharge the batteries, but they shoot even though they are tired shooting while tired a no no so now you all have stayed way to long and are not at your physical best so you do not have the good shoot so you are not playing with an advantage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Large groups are for fun, and they are lots of fun to, but to many cooks ruin the pie.

By the time the house starts complaining it is the beginning of the end, so why risk it?

When you start getting heat you will find out that you even get it when you are by yourself, so unless you are okay the idea of not being able to play there some day give it some serious thought fun or to win that is the question.

I really dont like to say a lot but this subject gets to me some times . Bman is dead right about that if you draw attention to the group it may hurt ALL OF YOU NOT JUST ONE .
After I left the table the other GTC ERS WERE TOLD THEY WERE WELCOME TO COME BACK ANY TIME . I tried to not let them know that I was with them .
Once you get on their radar it never goes away .Even if you are at the table alone .
I myself play wayyyyyy to LONG .Since I play vary little when I do go to a casino that has real craps I play ALL day .I do wait for my spot tho .
I have not got to many questions about my shoot which is good but when asked about taking class I say that several years ago I took a class that the casino offered but I don’t think they offer it any more .Which they did at 10:30 AM . ON Tuesday and Thursdays I think . 🙂 🙂
Hope it works out for ALL of you .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

All very valid points and exactly why I started the thread, I want to be able to consider the experiences and thoughts from the experiences of my brethren!

Thanks all!