Let me first put out my opinion on amounts. For the sake of this I will use a scale of 100. On myself I bet 100 ( I guess I could just call it percentages.) For someone that I know and believe or have faith in their shot I bet 50-75%. I say believe or have faith in because I have not done statistical analysis of 1000s of their throws so I do not know for certain if and precisely what their edge is. If I bet on a random roller it is usually 25%. Note that this is the starting spread as I will increase bets based on results.

This shooter (lets call him John) may have an edge. Do you recognize the set he is using, hardway, 2v, 3v, something else recognizable? Is it consistent for every shot? Is it different on the come out roll? Does it vary depending on the point? If the house is letting John get away with not hitting the back wall he is avoiding the pyramids. Those dreaded impediments designed to randomize the game. As the dice "roll" down the table does it appear that John is keeping them on axis?

Is it possible for you to start discretely recording John’s rolls on paper? Each die not just the total. You will also need to differentiate the set at the start of each roll. Get a few hundred rolls consistently recorded and you may start to see patterns. If you can’t record that much information, if you can make note of the total number of each of his hands that could be helpful. If after several dozen hands you observe if he is averaging 10 or more throws per hand he could have an edge.

Hi JRy,

If the guy sets the dice (what is his set? That may give you some info on how to bet him) and uses basically the same motion every time then I would consider betting on him. In my opinion, if he doesn’t have to hit the wall, then that makes less randomization of the dice and that is a good thing.

I would bet some basic low vig bets on him depending on his set. Place 6 & 8 and then up a unit on a hit or Come bets with maybe double odds. Something conservative anyway depending on my bankroll. For me the inside numbers would be too high of a vig and therefore too aggressive for my betting on other players.

Glad to hear they let the old dude play without any hassles. I have seen older people play at some casinos and they give them a hard time about speed etc. No respect! One casino in Vegas I would never play in again because of there treatment of one old gent I witnessed.

Thank you for your thoughts so far. I have not been able to recognize the set. One die is covered by his hand. I will try to get a better look from a different position on the table. He plays the Pl with 2-3 odds and the iron cross at 10,12,12 and 7 field. On all other players he plays pl and 6,8. As for recording the throws I think this is a good idea. One place I played at I saw a player with a notebook and pen recording his own throws. They allowed it and said it was no different than him recording numbers in other games. Do you know if this is acceptable at most places.

Personally, I have never seen anywhere that said you could not record numbers in a notebook. I have heard several tell the player that the notebook could not be on the chip rail but had to be on the drink rail or in the pocket instead.

If it is too slow of a process then they may become concerned about the speed of play so make sure you do it at home too and have a routine you can use without having to think about it. Also, I don’t think they will let you use a phone or any electronic device at the table to record numbers. If you have another person you play with regularly then maybe they can record your tosses and you there’s.

The casino does not just let him play. They reserve places at the table for the same 3-4 people to play every week at the normal times. They will not allow anyone else to stand in these positions and only open one end of the table. This forces any other players to roll from the mixing bowl. After 3 hours of play they will open the other side of the table. These are low rollers who do not tip but somehow have priority.
As to your statement about less random. That was what I was thinking. I have been trying not to play during the old folks special session due to speed of the game and the special treatment. If it makes sense for me to bet on them with the elimination of the back wall then I will consider playing during the later portion of their time. I think elimination of the back wall does benefit the whole table and someone betting cautiously could do good.
What are your thoughts?

JimRay If you could bring back that post about 110 I could not find that post . Would be interesting to read .
Thank You .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

110 inside 25 dollar 5 and 9 30 dollar 6 and 8.

Remember it is all about the fun.

I mean now that the almighty scobe is gone the instructors play with you and have a good time hell I even saw some of the instruction crew buying in and cashing out whenever they want, having a good time is the most important thing in what we do right, so have fun and enjoy, I mean to stand at a table that the guy can only throw the dice 2 feet and it is a fine with the casino should be a treat in its self.

I know that I would be rolling on the floor lmao to be in this fantasy land.

I think we sometimes forget its all about having fun. If its not fun go do something else. Winning is fun, but sometimes its just good to be at the table with friends and family.
I’m glad they let the man play. 😆

Ithink that may be in a few years so hope they let me play also . 😀
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Being an older guy myself I find that my local casino sometimes lets me slide a bit I think it makes them feel good about themselves. If I found myself at a table where they were letting the old folks slide on hitting the back wall I would bet the same way I bet on any random roller. That is reduce the exposure of my bankroll by making min limit/low House edge bets and pressing with my hits/casino money. I think trying to determine if this guy is a trained dice controller might be an exercise in frustration. Try come betting on him. If he starts repeating a lot of box numbers consistently and gets on a long roll your in a position to take advantage of it with minimum exposure of your bankroll. Just my 2c.