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Your grip is perfect, how is your release?

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After a great deal of help from Mr. Finesse in Vegas, I came home with a new grip and my throw went up a notch to a level that justifies risk at the tables. I have practiced the grip every day and it is paying off. Now what I detected in my release using the three finger grip was that my index finger wants to point on the release. What this results in using the hardways set is an abnormal amount of double pitch sevens. My on axis percentage is still good but the index finger is sticking out enough to create a lag instead of a perfect fulcrum. It is very hard to detect but when I see that many on axis sevens I know that my shot is off. It is very small but just enough to make a huge difference. The toothpick trick of Dicepilot will not catch this. My upper fingers are very stable. It only occurs with the tip of the index finger on release. Anybody else experience something similar? Thanks for reading. Any replies are welcome.


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Posted by: Dr Crapology on August 15, 2015, 12:50 am

Try this idea. Cut several pieces of paper–flat tooth picks will do as well–about the width of a flat tooth pick and about 1/2 inch long. Take two of them and after you have the dice gripped, insert two–one between the first finger and the middle finger and one between the middle and ring finger. Use the knuckles just above the fingernails in your 3 finger grip. Get your "C grip" and make your throw using a very light grip on the dice so you can feel the dice rolling off your finger tips. Hold the fingers together so that the little pieces of paper ( or flat tooth picks) do not fall out of your fingers. You can have your wife of girl friend–but not both (just kidding)–assist you. We do this from time to time and it helps. Another instructor came up with this idea.

This should enable you to not let the first finger point forward and help to eliminate the double pitch. If you have trouble with this you can contact me off the board or I can work with you in Vegas. Heck, come half way across the country to Shreveport in a couple of weeks.

Look forward to seeing you soon.

Doc

Posted by: DoughBoy on August 15, 2015, 12:55 am

Doc; First of all, you sound like you are recovering quickly from your surgery. Continued good health. Thanks for the tip and hope to see you soon. I am certain for my throw that this will be a key to more success. I will let you know how it goes. The best to you and Rose.

Posted by: NofieldFive on August 15, 2015, 1:35 pm

I hate the term "Release". There is no such thing as a "Release". If you are doing something to "Release" the dice then you are doing something to the dice.

What we do is a Grip and an arm swing. If the grip is light enough, the dice come out when they come out, depending on the speed of your arm swing. Your grip should remain the same as it was when you picked up the dice long after the dice have left your fingers.

NFF

Posted by: Dr Crapology on August 15, 2015, 2:21 pm

NFF–you are right on—the centrifugal force with a light grip will automatically roll the dice right off the end of you fingers. There is no release. Just be sure to keep your grip, even the dice have left the fingers, until the dice hit the bottom of the table.

doc and Rose

Posted by: DoughBoy on August 15, 2015, 10:20 pm

Thanks NFF. I get what you are saying. I just noticed my index finger moving. Thanks.

Posted by: JesJac on August 19, 2015, 5:32 pm

Even that you are thinking of a release lets everyone listening know you are doing some sort of flip with your fingers and do not have a full understanding of the, hold the dice so loose they come out on their own.

You likely have a misunderstanding of "throwing" the dice.

I know. I did. Mr Finesse cleared up the misunderstanding one day and it was like someone lifting a veil — and I was doing well before that. Since… fantastic.

There is no "release." Even thinking it will screw up the dice.

Go to Shreeveport and ask Finesse about it again. You will quickly win back enough to cover the trip and seminar when he, or someone else, clears that up for you.

Posted by: Skinny on August 20, 2015, 7:34 pm

Do you think toss gets the idea across better? If not, what word would you use?

Posted by: JesJac on August 20, 2015, 10:19 pm

Hi Skinny,

No, "toss" also implies some sort of activity with the hand.

"Deliver the dice," lob the dice" – that one "lob" seems to convey the idea but might have people delivering the dice short often – "Cast" might work as that is an arm thing not a hand thing but, how many understand "cast" that way?

"Propel," no. Too many ways to imagine that.

Nope. Wearing out the thesaurus all I can find that fits well is "lob."
Word Origin & History
lob — "send up in a slow, high arc," 1824 (implied in lobbing), but the word existed earlier suggesting "heavy, pendant, or floppy things,"