Not realy what you asked OMC but will you be able to wear the gloves in a casino when you throw?

Noah

I am not an advocate of anything other than the 3 Finger Front grip.

But and I will say this again BUT there are occasions where someone has a physical problem using the 3 finger front grip is not possible.

A deformity, a broken finger, missing fingers or arthritis in one’s hand, fingers, thumb or wrist.

I am a much better shooter with the 3 finger front grip. About 8 years ago I had surgery on my shooting hand, wrist and thumb. The surgery helped but I still have problems and there are times I can not use my 3 finger front grip.

I always go to my 3 finger front grip first and if my hand or thumb is bothering me I will use a 2 finger front with the index and pinky fingers on the outside of the dice. I hate using this grip but I want to throw the dice like everyone else. If I am playing with other instructors or good shooters I will let them shoot because I know they will be better than I can be using their 3 finger grip.

Like I said I am not an advocate of grip variations but I do understand that sometimes we must make an allowance for these physical handicaps. When I see this I will work as hard as I can to help any student overcome this problem.

I use only the 3 finger grip. Since I know Dom likes the baseball analogies so much, I will use one. Does a batter have more control of his bat using one hand or two? Using a one finger grip gives the dice too much opportunity to come off the fingers sideways or even slip out of your hand. Not recommended unless absolutely need be.

Midnight

First WE must decide for ourselves what is best with the help of experts . Like in base ball .You do not see a pitcher throwing with just his finger tips . 🙂 There is a reason for this ,But how many throw a knuckle ball any more .
I saw a framer that was born with no arms or legs that was doing things that a lot of us cant do .He learned to adjust to what he had .As some on this site may have some this that just don’t work the same .
I just thought of a little test just sitting here . I put my fingers straight down on table so fingers would be straight like on dice .First 3 finger then 2 fingers .Well there was less pain using 2 fingers .This was with no pressure just the position that they were in .I don’t know if this really means a lot .Maybe one of the instructors can weigh in .
Now sitting I just tried holding my hand up in the air and doing this . Boy was it hard to get the 3 finger grip with out pain .When throwing the dice there is less .I guess that when I am throwing it goes unnoticed .
After running a jackhammer for 40 years I do have some joint and muscle facts to take into the grip thing .Just saying WE are not all alike . That is one great reason to take a class .Besides learning a lot and making new friends .
Hope this puts a another light to the post .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂 🙂

As many of you know, I deal with hand issues quite a bit

I was born with 4 thumbs and had surgery when I was 2 to remove the two extra thumbs, and when I was 7 yrs old to correct my right thumb.

I have learned thru trial and error (AND the PRIMER) that my right hand shot is almost impossible to correct because I get very little thumb surface on the dice and it causes one dice to rotate normally and the other to spin like a top ….. it becomes very random. If I get them to spin and rotate (a BIG if), the dice are NOT on axis. I really don’t do my right-hand shot anymore.

My left thumb is "almost" normal, but it still is tough to work around. I CANNOT duplicate the grip that I get from the gripper when I don’t use the gripper — if that makes sense. My left thumb does not bend like normal thumbs.

But, I’ve worked hard for what I can do and my shot responds. I’ve hit enough fire bets to believe it that I can do it — plus, I’m a driven, competitive SOB and in my mind, I’m going to be successful

All that said, I use a 3-finger grip because it makes up for the lack of stability that my left thumb cannot give me.

Mr Lion very admirable very.

Omc are you aware that over 400 people apply for mouse traps patents each year ?

When I was a child going to the doctors office was fun because they had this block game, you know round block, round hole, square block, square hole then thee was the child round hole square block always smashing his finger with the hammer trying to get the block through.

Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First ACPA. Some casinos will allow it and others don’t. That is here in Colorado, I’m unsure about Las Vegas. The gloves are more of a training tool to keep my hand from opening up. I get a good "C" finish with them on and am trying to duplicate that without the gloves. It may take more practice time to perfect this toss.

I have not had consistently better rolls with the gloves either at home or in the casino. I have just had a better follow through by not opening my hand so much and that was the object when I first tried them. There has been a dramatic decrease in pain in my hands though. With or without the gloves
I am so much more comfortable with the one-finger front and am very confident when throwing. My best in casino was 60 in Kansas City last February.
Since taking the primer last June my practice with the changes recommended by GTC staff have been showing a nice improvement in the number of 20’s and 30’s and a noticeable decrease in 7’s. My SRR has risen from 8.3 to 8.9 and my on axis numbers have increased also along with my primary hits.

When I play, after about 20 rolls, my hand quickly becomes tired and achy when I am using the 3 finger front. I practiced it for a year with 3 fingers and charted the rolls as usual. When I went to the one-finger front my hand does not tire and I get better results. I will stay with the one finger front and look for ways to improve it. I hope any others that use the one front will post here.

It had gotten so bad that when driving I could only hold the steering wheel for 4 or 5 minutes then I had to switch hands just to keep going. Both hands being nearly equally affected. I guess it is the hell of getting older. The gloves have made it possible to drive many hours before tiring out so they are now
a daily part of driving. I drive in my business a lot of miles in traffic and lift 60# boxes. The gloves have been a life changer for me. No, the pain is not completely gone but almost. I have been using a topical Rx called "Voltaren G" and it helps a lot too!

I will see some of you in LV in a couple weeks and I will bring the gloves to the Friday open house. In the mean time keep those hot rolls coming!!

Brothelman, I do not advocate the 1 finger front for anyone else as it is not the norm, just for me.

OneMoonCircles

I do applaud your effort.

OMC Mmmmm Went from 3 finger front to one finger front . What made you to for go the 2 finger front ?
Just a thought that I had .
Would be nice to meet up and talk some . See you in Vegas .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

I have never used a 2 finger front, however I met a guy from Texas that used 2 fingers. He had extremely wide fingers and with only two they both hung over the sides. There was no way he could have used 3. He is a friend of Baitman and Pistol Pete’s.

The one-finger front has it’s challenges but I do not have to bend the middle finger at the first knuckle nearly as much as the 3-finger front. That is where I get the most pain, in the middle finger and that first knuckle. I can toss all night that way but about 20 rolls with 3 fingers and I’m done for the evening.

Your body will do what it has to automatically to compensate for the pain and that decreases your advantage, maybe drastically. If you lose your advantage then do something else. Remember, Bruce Lee said "Obey the principles without being bound by them." I even have that on a piece of paper on my table to always remember this. I think it is so appropriate for craps as well as martial arts.

My friend Goldfinger has been rolling with an unconventional toss in practice. Right handed from SR1 and no backswing. It amazes me how many 6’s he rolls that way.
I don’t know if he has been using it in the casino however. Possibly he will read this and comment.

Ten days and counting……..Vegas Baby!!

OMC

OMC,
The reason I went to the right arm from SR1. I decided to increase my throws from stick right from 150 a day to 500 a day.on the fifth day something popped in my elbow. I could no longer throw without extreme pain.I needed to throw from somewhere so Idecided to experiment with my right arm from stick right one.
It came so naturally that I threw that way for three weeks.when I was able to throw again with my left arm I decided I would split my practice time between the two different ways.that way I could ease back into it.
I now throw about 180 tosses per day with each arm.

I don’t know why I get so many sixes,and I don’t get as much crap junk as I do with my left arm. Maybe down the road a ways I will test it under fire in the casino. But for now the left arm is pretty sweet.

Goldfinger

OMC, the funny thing is that I remember working with you at the open house earlier this year and you "humored" me and you made several tosses with the 3 finger grip and the dice looked excellent. Goldfinger can verify this as he was watching. Although I am glad you seem to be having some success with the one finger grip, I do feel certain you would have some better long term success with practice and use of the old 3 finger. Just my $.02 cents worth.

That being said, do what you want and what feels right for you. Rose and I only wish you the best and hope to see you soon.

Doc

Several weeks ago I visited a Bossier City Casino and tried a one finger front set. Not sure how many numbers I made, however I rolled for 40 minutes and made 5 out of six numbers which paid me 250 times my "Fire Bet". I have played about 20 sessions since without being able to replicate my success. I am going back to the three finger front throw. I still feel more comfortable with the one finger front hold.
Desperately Need a GTC Refresher!

Pat d just picked the dice up and flung them she lasted 147 throws fantastic things happen.

gtc brought her to a meet and greet at the wcc.