oh yes i remember well! that was the hardest thing for me to learn. but i got it now, maybe a little to much at times. i like to see spin going down to the other end. keep the good tips comming we read them all . thanks.
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Bman took some of your advise last trip . Just not exactly the way you would have but I still am learning.
I increased my bet on the hard 10 to 5.00 then to 10.00 then to 20.00 Did not hit the 20.00 but it was better then winning winning at the 1.00 level. That you for the advise.
Was with Aunt and Uncle so had little time.
Good Rolling.

congratlations on finding your own way.

Not just ready to par lay. But have been working on that hand turning.
Hope that you have a good time rolling with the GTCers that come your way.
Good Rolling.

Bman, I really have been working on this, thanks. I think I left you a message, "with my shoes did well @ two mentioned Casinos, and owe you dinner…again."

Also sent email as suggested. No response as of yet.

This coming week end I finally get to play again. Let’s see if practice and shooting from CORRECT spot pays off. (I hope to owe you again)

Shoot with passion, as always.
DavidM

Davidm i have not gotten email

OK B-Man says that you are screwed if you cannot feel the dice pull out of your hand for a proper reaction at the table.

There are exceptions to this. I have not lost overall in any calendar year since I have taken the class in June of 2008. I took a tune up this weekend from Stickman and that was indeed the only thing he could find wrong with my toss. He did make a suggestion as to how I can correct that.

That said, I could have probably have made more money if I could of ever felt the dice pull away from my fingers. Even with Stickman showing me what to do and me doing it I still cannot feel the dice doing that. I can see the results however as the shot is much softer.

For me it will be a simple matter of memory of what to do and how the shot should look. Unfortunately I will never be able to feel the dice pull away.
Clark

I to have seen your shot you do not keep our hand closed that is why you donot feel the dice.

I can rember days when i was helping you and you did tell me you could feel the dice leave your hand so do no say never never is a very long time.

If you are willing to put in the time you could achieve and have achieved this for louis is very able to help you if you would listen to her.

Please rember some people are just lucky.

B-man, keep your opinions about my game to yourself as you have many times told me behind their back about other GTC players abilities, especially their faults. I have never shared this information with anyone else and you should be embarrassed for stating your opinion of my abilities and broadcasting them through this medium. You are not an instructor and what took place in our home at our private practice table should have been held in confidence. After you showed your true colors of being unable and unreliable I hope never to play at a table with you again. I encourage those who have high standards of behavior to stay clear of such people as I have learned my lesson.

Stickman, who is a certified instructor in the game of craps, was able to make the one correction that I personally needed to take my game to a higher level. I have been satisfied with the game I have been playing since the GTC primer in 2008 and as I have stated before I am slowly but steadly showing a profit at the end of each calendar year. Some others who need to interview potential partners at the table cannot make this same claim. They are looking for shooting partners so that they can make money on somone else’s game because they are not making enough on their own.

Best of rolls to all on this board.

Clark

P.S. Please learn to use spell check so that you don’t look so illiterate. You have been asked to do this on numerous occasions but you seem to be unable and unreliable to implement this request.

Clark Have you tried the tooth pick thing?
They did do that in class that I took.
Good Rolling. 😀

Yes, I did. Stickman and I discussed that also. For whatever reason the toothpicks stay in place even when my hand comes open. He didn’t have an answer to why the toothpick didn’t fall out if my hand was opening. I figure that my skin must be moist between the fingers.

I hope with the new shot routine I am developing that I will have many more rolls in the 30’s than the 20’s.
Clark

bo who.

do not tell me what to do.

Thanks let’s not make this he said she said thing everyone on the web know I don’t spell worth a shit. now posting your opinion and not expecting me to reply is insane

"brothelman" wrote: Thanks let’s not make this he said she said thing everyone on the web know I don’t spell worth a shit. now posting your opinion and not expecting me to reply is insane

[Insert joke] Boo whooo 😆 Clark is a he. It would be a "he said, he said" thing. [End of joke]

I’d say that your replies are very much expected, even wanted. Spell-check would only make your replies better and more precise; there’d be no room for misunderstandings.

I try my wife is trying to teach me how to import from word but i do not have it down and she just got home, so maybe in the next couple of days we will get that worked out.

Thank you.

I at times get caught up with saying some thing that when I re-read it it is not really what I meant to say. I think this can happen to all of us. We say things but the other person is just not thinking the same way.
Since joining this site I post more and appreciate all the help that I can get even if I don’t like or agree with some of it. It does make me think more.Not every body can be in the 10% of great rollers.
Since I have been rolling since the early 70s I have gotten better but Rome was not built in a day.
I can see that there is a disadvantage to being in the 10% too.I prefer not to have a lot of heat and enjoy playing. But winning is FUN.
Good Rolling. 😀

Bman I think you are right on as I have been continuing to tune up my throw. At this time all of my efforts are being spent on muscle memory for good throws and getting those dare fingers to finish the deal.

/when purley working on the fingers you should use the pipless dice they allow you to forget all about results of the throw and worry about your release point.

bman, sent answer through GT system. Did you rec’ ?

Daughter, Faith, said to tell the "Bee-man", thank you for helping her Daddy win for her what she was wishing for. Another Girl Scout camp this year.
She seems to think you "fixed" what wasn’t working. (she sees most all of my practice sessions) She also asked if you worked with a lot of "Drones other
than me?" She can be a little twit sometime.

When tired I still tend to let dice slowly turn in and slightly lo/hi. Stop return later, sq grip, and much better. Going this week-end to see Smokey Robinson,
Faith goes to IMAX, Science Port, and I get to play late to make some Honey. ($$)

Thanks Tom, your help is appreciated more than you know.

Shoot with passion…as usual.
DavidM 😉 😉

To quote the late Rodney King…."Can’t we all just get along?" 😆

Bman brings up a valid point but didn’t express it correctly. You should feel the dice leaving your hand by them rolling off your fingertips. The edge of the dice will become a fulcrum off your finger tips. If you don’t feel it happening, you are probably pushing through with your thumb or gripping too tightly.

The biggest problems I see as the students come through the class are:

1) Grip too tight
2) Opening up the grip and not letting the dice come out on their own
3) Hands splaying apart at the end (follow through). This is where my toothpick idea comes in handy.
4) The throw must start and end with the three finger C grip.
5) Rushing the throw
6) Pushing with the thumb
7) Not targeting
8) Backswing too long or not straight back
9) Dice not square on the set up or follow through
10) Grip not even (three fingers across the front)
11) Shoulders or body not square on the stance

Keep those dice flying high!
Dicepilot

DicePilot,

"Keep those dice flying high!"….

I find that when the dice fly high they have time to twist and twirl before
hitting the table top. Isn’t it better for the dice to scoot in low and bounce
right into the wall? Like a plane coming in low and scooting a bomb into a
ship, if you will. (I was not in the military.)

7×7

7 x 7
The GTC approach is to allow the dice to travel in on a 45 degree arc. With the the proper backspin on the dice, they will hit the back wall and lose all of their energy and die. We call this an "A" Shot.

Too many students are trying to "line drive" the shot with a low approach. This shot is not recommended for most standard tables we find around the country. A low approach only leads to too much energy off the back wall. Dom and Frank always say two important things….
1) Trust the throw
2) You must give up control to gain control.

The dice will leave your hand and follow the 45 degree arc if you throw by the book. One more thing, the pendulum swing must come from the shoulder, no motion in the wrists or at the elbow areas.

For all of the newbies out there, take the class. It is impossible to learn golf or tennis by reading a book or a few emails. Personal instruction is the only way to perfect your shot.

"Keep those dice flying"
DP

Thank you very much dp that helps alot the tips are the bomb.

New guys read old posts.