OK, I know you said that you didn’t want to hear about warm-up in the room but I will mention it because it has to do with my approach.

I only do overnight trips to the casinos so I do have the luxury of warming up in the room. I can see if my grip is correct etc and make any corrections I need. When I do go to the table I bet my pre plan without any thought to warm up or any changes in denomination of bets. Same way every time or I leave the table if my dice don’t look good but frankly if my dice don’t look good in my room warm up then I fore go that table session until it is corrected or maybe not at all if I can’t get the dice to look right in my room.

Maybe if I did day trips to the casino instead of overnight I would think differently because I wouldn’t be able to warm up away from the tables. I don’t think I would change anything though as we all know variance is always with us. Never know if the first hand will be a PSO or the longest hand of the day or anywhere in between.

For me, I think betting within the framework of my bankroll is really the key and not thinking about the number of the hand I am tossing. Every time I try to out think the dice it comes back to haunt me! 😀

Good question and I am interested in reading all the responses to it!

The question is not technically to warm up or not warm up.
It’s when "game on"… Do you go big or ease into the game with minor bets.
That’s what Tex is asking.
😎

Thanks Griz for the clarification!

Then I start my betting the same way every time on every hand and have a practiced format. When game on I just continue my usual betting plan with no easing in with minor bets or going big if the dice "look good". My bankroll determines my bets and not the look of the dice. I guess it is boring but I size my bets the same for the start of each hand.

Griz, what do you do?

I believe that a true advantage player can tell when he has it and when he doesn’t and when he is somewhere in between.

I chicken out…. Minimal PL and maybe table minimum 6 & 8… 😯

Which is a shame as I need to man-up and believe in my shot, I get beyond the 5-count usually. It’s those times when I PSO that probably are recalled in my memory banks, which is a damn shame!

Last Vegas trip, I (on a table I feel comfortable on) ended up playing a $54/52 across regression after 4 hits then stayed up on consistent-hitting numbers and Come betted. Three or four turns with the dice and most were mid to high teens or low 20’s, so no complaints. Two sessions per morning over three days, fairly consistent results. Made others at the table some nice $ on that All/Small/Tall bet…

Next trip? Moving up the size of the bets, but keeping the regression strategy unless the dice look remarkably good. My last turn with the dice, they looked glued together, longest roll of trip, high 20’s maybe low 30’s. Took that $ and ran to the airport! 😎

Morale of the story for Alamo… Maybe a modified Griz-start: minimal bets, check the look, them get your big-boy bets out on the layout!

Brothelman stated it very well. When I start out a day, or even a session, I evaluate the shot. If the dice do not feel right in my hand, or if the reaction is not good, then I will make only a PL bet with odds. I will usually bet the amount of odds that I normally take. That would be full odds in a 3,4,5 game. But I will hold off any further bets until I like my shot.

At that time I will make a come bet or place the 6 and 8 in my normal betting routine.

NFF

Also if you are playing with other it is all that important to know there shot or at the very least you have to know what a good shot looks like and how it should be reacting to do this , if you do not, have a great time enjoy your self and try to learn get with a advanced player pick there brains get them to go with you to the tables and explain what a good shot does, or just have a great time .

I think that a lot would depend on if you are playing that table on a regular basses . For me they some times have changed the felt or even the whole table .So I like to take a look at others throwing first .
I once watched the dice go off the table 15 times before they got to me . I thought that I could keep them on better then the other did. So I stayed and rolled never did they go off the table but there has been times where I passed on trying at a table just because I did not like it .
There sure is a lot of different tables out there ,with different felts .
Even were they have the pass line marked .
I think that they started printing more PROP . bets on lay out so that leaves less room between the wall and the pass line .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Interesting stuff. The reason I said ‘don’t tell me about the room’ is because I always warm up in the room. I even have dice in my pocket on the way down and often have them in my grip as I walk. I don’t ‘swing my arm’ the way the Griz does! Jeez, what an obsessive compulsive exercise! JK, Griz.
However, it seems like that first trip to the table for me always has a lot of adrenaline associated with it. I lean toward going in very light that first time, but it wasn’t long ago that I did that downtown. Got to the hotel, laid down for a half hour or so and decided to go ‘look around’. The table had nobody at it, so I decided ‘what the heck’ and went to give it a warm up try. $12 6 & 8 nothing on the PL. To make a long story short, I had a roll in the 30s and could have won a huge amount of money on that hand had I just come out swinging. ( I won a lot, but not as much as I could have with a bigger start, using the same betting progression ). So, now, I’m trying to develop a comfort level for going in from the start as large as my BR will allow without meaningful financial pain. Like a couple of you kind of hinted at, you just can’t second guess the game. I’m not 5 counting myself anymore either. Seems like every time I 5 count myself with chicken $ on the felt, the first 4 numbers are 6s and 8s ( I’m a 6/8 player ) and I’m kicking myself for not already being up.

Mentally, for example, it doesn’t bother me to go in on a $5 table with. PL point with full odds and a $30 6 & 8. If I PSO, then I’ve tossed less than $90 out the window. With a $60 6 & 8, the pain is twice as much. But what I’ve written below is important, because some of the rolls at either level are going to be in the teens 20s, 30s….comfort.

I think the reluctance to play big is about comfort more than warming up. What I am doing down here in the Alamo City is betting in practice with a larger unit bet size than I have been using in Vegas. I log every hand. I look at different sets etc., but I bet the same way every time. What I am finding is that not only does your betting become automatic but after several thousand rolls, you find which sets win money and which don’t, along with other stats I keep e.g. average rolls per hand, number of 15 roll hands and SRR. Very important information. When a given set has good correlation across several categories, you know it is a set you can count on, mathematically and statistically. If you read Sanford Wong on Dice, you can learn how to cross check your dice set using more than one measuring stick. But I digress. The point is, when you bet repeatedly in practice using bigger money, you learn two important things: First, you don’t get hurt that bad. Second, you just plain get used to seeing the bets on the table at the size you’re using. It becomes automatic and you come to find out that your bankroll can handle it. My data collection is a little complicated, so I don’t think I could explain it all here, but that isn’t the point anyway. The point is that if you can convince yourself that you are going to ultimately be ok with a larger unit bet, then you can move up.

I think the warm up question is answered: Some people have a trial look at their dice; others don’t. I lean toward just going into the deep end from the start. Hell…its still gambling after all!

Keep On Rollin’

Alamo

One of my biggest mistakes is betting on a table, AS IF, it was the same conditions as my practice table. Mind you, in practice I was hot, on my bouncy practice rig. tsk tsk…My big mistake. I shot garbage. Now I know, to feel it out, watch the dice action, and see how they’re acting. If you’re off, do like NFF says. If you’re on, pile it on.