Amen to all your suggestions. A suggestion for those who come up to a table and a GTC person is rolling—do not buy in. If there are others at the table that your recognize ask for $100 in chips from him or her, give him the Bennie and make a place or come bet. Then when the shooter makes his point or has a 7 out you can buy in–hopefully the former.

A couple of years ago I walked up to a table where Dom was having a great roll–probablywas on the 25th to 30th roll–while I waited over 25 minutes before he make his point and I could buy in. Did not have enough sense to ask another GTC player for a few chips. He would have given them to me in a heart beat. It was tough standing there while Dom made point after point after point. I thought it would go on forever. Good news he did make a couple of pay days for me before the old 7 showed its head—as it eventually always does. If I am playing and a GTC player is in the middle of a good roll I offer to give/sell his a few chips to some one who has just walked so he can get in the game without interruption.

Doc

Try this on for size. I’m at SR1 and having a good roll (in the 20’s). Stick man pushed the dice to me and says dice out. I set the dice with a hard way set, start to grip them and the guy in the hook to my right says hard 6 & 8 as he tosses chips hitting my hand. Guess what my next roll was!

Seems as though the table manners has been completely forgotten. I will (and have) publically shame those idiots. The few GTC-ers I run with have good manners. It is tough to put those idiots out of your mind when trying to concentrate.

Midnight I did what you asked for it has been a while since I have read them . I went to GTC Wisdom section to read them like most would . It seems that most of your examples are not there .I agree with the things you are saying .But about when to bye in is not there .The one about asking to move chips is .
Even before I heard about GTC I tried to be polite at the tables .To me it is a lot of common since .I try not to bring attention to myself or others .
It is hard enough being a dice setter let alone being a GTC Dice setter .
They will really notice 2.3 or 4 people that set and throw the same way period .
If I was a dealer and 4 or 5 new people came up to table and 2 were not shooting and also not making pass line bets with the dice landing were their bets would be I would get it . The 5 count would also be a give away .
Not shooting too .
I saw a group of guys come in one night and only 2 shot the dice . Both shoot from end of table . One guy had only one arm . They spent about 1 to 2 hrs there . They each rolled the dice one time and left . I heard the PIT critter say they took them for about 12,000.00 between all of them .It was a group of about 6 or 8 if I remember right .
I think the 20 commandments need to be revised a little .
Some of the things you talk about are not there and should be .
Just a thought .
Most of the time the casino cares only about you getting your money out there .
There are a lot of players out there that have no idea about the 20 commandments .
Glad to hear that you still had a great time .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Hey Midnight,

I was actually thinking of doing a few slides for tips on ‘Group Play’ with some general advice for all GTC’ers.

Not sure if students would find that helpful but I’m certainly open to it if others are as well.

Sandman…

Don’t you love it when a guy walks up with a string of cards on a long rope with a 20.00 bye in just as you get the dice .Or he throws in his room key .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

midnight,

the person you described about moving
the chips is not a GTC person. he hangs
around with the winning Wednesday crowd
sucking off our good rolls. he breaks every rule
we live by. even the dealers shun him because
he never tips …. never. we ignore him and hope
he will go away.

Friday was great…. you guys on that table
were the best … classic GTC from my
view point.

looking forward to next time

Thanks John! It was great and so much fun. Matt and I spoke on the way home that day and we are both eager do go back. As far as this guy is concerned, Next time I see him, I will say something to him. What he did was completely inappropriate. He said he was with the group and I had never met him before so I kept my mouth shut. As you get to know me better, you will find out that me keeping my mouth shut is very very hard for me to do. So I will definitely take care of it.

Matt- Absolutely great idea. And maybe it’s time for the commandment list to be updated.

It was funny. That guy came up to me and started talking as if he knew me. I couldn’t place his face and I’m thinking to myself, geez, I can’t remember this GTC’er. I know we had a bunch of new people showing up and I’m running through everyone that I emailed and couldn’t figure out the misconnect. Finally, I asked him, who are you again. He told me his name and then I realized he’s not on our email list and probably found out about it in other ways. I’ll remind everyone in the next email to keep our planned dates close to the vest. The last thing we want are people showing up that haven’t been given a run down on the commandments.

Sandman

I know who everyone is talking about and I have seen him a number of times at FW’s. He even had the nerve to critic his toss after he told me he would never take a GTC class. I am sure you all know my answer. BTW he lives in his small RV in the parking lot and follows the sun. Not a bad way to live if this is what you want.

I will not play if he is at a table and I think others should feel the same,. We work hard and invest time at what we do.

Whoever that tag-along is, I’d tell him to bet heavy, all the numbers, ( making sure my own bets are to the minimum) and just crap out to wipe him out….probably would try that several times, until he stops tagging along. lol. just my thoughts.

So MOST of the time were I go there are NO GTC types . Most shake dice late bet bye in a ANY time and other things that are not right . My actions WILL not change one thing period to the better .
So at times I feel and look stupid not byeing in when puck is on a number . At times the action is so slow that you could have 2 or more bye in and the action is just as fast as if NO one was byeing in .
Some times the slow pay outs are all on one side of table so it really does not matter .I think that you need to a dress each time you bye in different then just believing that you will make a difference on the out come of the game by your bye in .
I have waited many times for the puck to be in the off position and NEVER been told by a dealer or player that that was the way to do it .
Bman is the strongest supporter of bye in at the right time which I see his position to some decree .
I also don’t like it when I am rolling or some one else is rolling and this bye in slows the game down .
What I am talking about is a bye in at the wrong time BUT does not interfere with the roll at all .
I have been at tables were the game is almost at a complete halt on one side paying bets off or other reasons and nothing going on on other side .
So do you like to look like an idiot by not getting in .Then more players come and bye in while you just stand there and the game is still on same pace with the other bye ins .
I think that this is when GOOD judgement comes into play .
I some times find that after the dealers ask 3 times if I want to bye in they STOP asking but is that RIGHT ?
That MAY EVEN DISRUPT the game more then your bye would have .
So lets hear the good and bad .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

First of all betting on random rollers is a losing strategy over the long haul. You should never want to bet on a random roller because it will cost you money over time no matter how many times you catch a "hot" roll from one. So why are you in a hurry to get into the game to bet on a random roller? You should be looking for any excuse to NOT bet on the random rollers, not trying to get your money quickly so that you can make losing bets on them.

Second, buying in during the middle of a roll is improper etiquette and not polite. I don’t care how many other people, who are either ignorant or just plain discourteous, decide to buy in at the wrong time. That does not justify bad behavior on our part.

Third, I have had a few dealers ask me if I wanted to buy in during the middle of a roll. I simply say I will wait for the shooter to make his point and they leave me alone after that. The good dealers thank me for respecting the shooter. I don’t care about the opinions of the bad ones who think it is okay to buy in at any time during a roll.

Last but not least, when you buy in at the wrong time you only reinforce the idea that it is okay to do that. Others may not be as smart as you to realize that you are doing it at a time that does not affect the shooter. They will just see you buying in during the middle of a roll. They may end up buying in during the middle of your roll, annoying you when they do that and you will only have yourself to blame because you did not take advantage of an opportunity to teach them something. Someone may be watching when you tell the dealer that you want to wait for the shooter to make his point and learn something from you for the future.

Good manners are always appropriate. It does not matter how the rest of the world is behaving. To thine own self be true.

Skinny so do you bet on yuorself or do you always play with others that are npt radom rollers ?I find vary few that even set the dice and even out of those they shake them before throwing them . Also it seems that manners have gotten to be left to us old timers .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

I play with other GTC players. There are usually a few random rollers at the table as well. I bet on myself right away, 5 count the GTC players and hardly ever bet on the random rollers. If I am not throwing well after 3 turns with the dice I leave the table. I may go for a rest, take a walk or play Pai Gow Poker. But I don’t stay when I am not throwing my best.

The tables are always there. I don’t have to push to play when I don’t feel it. It is hard enough to win when we are doing well. I see no point in playing a sub par game to give the house the advantage or in betting on random rollers which gives the house the edge.

I don’t understand why most dealers at casinos don’t enforce this more. There is nothing more annoying than interruptions while you are shooting the dice.

Cmcierra

Interruptions bother the shooter and cause 7-outs

I do not let anything bother me on the tables anymore

If something on the table changes the "flow" of the game, I just reach down and grab my drink, relax, and shoot when I WANT to shoot — if the game is delayed because of buy-ins, $$$ fills, or an argument, it DOES NOT bother me — trust your shot, focus, hit the spot, and make money

Breaks on the table such as buy-ins and fills, allow me to relax, joke a bit with The Princess, or talk with other friends — then shoot when I’M READY and hit numbers

Lion, good attitude. Others can learn from your words.

Doc

Cmcierri It is the casino job to say to get your money as fast as they can and the dealers are just doing what their bosses want .
If it is a casino that you play often then just keep some chips for start of next visit .Or stop by chage first or one of other tables to get chips .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

I was in AC on Tuesday in SR1. To my right at the end of the table was the shooter. He kept yelling to the other end of the table for a player to move his chips out of the way of his dice. The player moved them. No one said a word. The shooter was just another CFer.

Glad to hear that he was a cfer. Had a player that liked throwing the dice off the glass sides and was told that he could not do that . They told him several times before they said that next time the dice would be taken away before he stopped . He got real upset about it and told them .
They do get on ALL throwers at times .
Good Rolling. 🙂

Very good reminder Midnight.

"MIDNIGHT" wrote:
Next, If you are standing in the hook blocking, and someone asks you to let them squeeze in, never let them take your spot. let them stand straight out.

This one upsets me more than any other. As a Golden Touch student of the game you should know where the landing zone is. And it should not be straight out. I have seen some of our folks allow players to come in on the hook and the landing zone turns into a mine field. If someone has passline bets straight out and my dice go there, then that is my fault.

"MIDNIGHT" wrote:
Wait for the point to be made before buying in. During one of our throws, another GTCer comes and stands in the hook and buys in for $1000. We were into roll 33 at the time and completely in a groove and of course this brought the game to a standstill.

I know we go over this in the class multiple times. I have watched a good roll go by while waiting to buy in. I don’t fret over it because there will be another. But I am not going to buy in until they make a point, or seven out. I even do this with random rollers.

"MIDNIGHT" wrote:
A GTCer standing in the hook on the left side, left his position, came around to my side of the table and asked the guy to move his chips out of the way.

This one should be obvious. We don’t want to call more attention to ourselves than we already do.

I will add one other thing that is very important. DO NOT TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO AT THE TABLE! I have heard stuff from very experienced GT players at the table that makes me cringe. Talking about "Random Rollers" and talking about the shot should not be done.

Looking forward to seeing everyone next week.

NFF

In reference to buying in during a roll–as talked about here and in class, one should never do this. However if you see someone at the table that you know buy some chips from the person and you can begin playing. When a 7 out occurs you can settle up at that time. Example, I once walked up next to Dom during a big roll and asked him for $200 in chips. He gave them to me, I did not interrupt the game, I made some money and we settled up at the next point.

If some ploppy comes up to the table close to you and wants to throw a bunch of $100 bills on the table, ask him not to stop the game and offer to sell him/her some of your chips so he can start playing. Then he can buy in at the appropriate time.

Rose and Doc have done these things several times. It does not interrupt the roll. Just do it discretely and quietly.

Rose and Doc

I normally don’t buy in during a roll

However, if I do, i will buy in with $24 and ask for a 6 & 8 at $12 each — I do it right after the previous roll when the dice are in the middle — it happens so quick, that the shooter does not realize it and no one even knows I did it

One time in LV, the Princess was playing and she caught an awesome roll from a CF-er — when I walked up to the table next to her, the CF-er’s point was a NINE — I told her that I would not buy in until the NINE got made by the CF-er — well, 50 minutes and potentially $2,000+ later, the CF-er finally sevened-out and I NEVER bought in. The CF-er made 4 hard 6’s in a row — the Princess had $250 on the hard-6 when the roll ended. I got to watch the Princess cash out $3000 ….. nice for her !!!

so walk to the closest black jack table and buy chips

Cant we just have fun?

Of course! The whole purpose is to have fun. But also to make money! And we all have the ability to make money because we are advanced players. But with that title comes issues. So it is our job to limit the heat and attention that is brought to us as much as possible.

Midnight