Leslie,

Good to see you start posting .

I like, "on the hook" just becasu you insisted on rolling from the hook to avoid heat.

Or Skidder

Rose and Doc have a couple of suggestions. How about "Miss Texas" or Sure Shot." Pitt Boss had some good suggestions as well. Pick what appeals to you and you will be good to go.

Rose and Doc

Instead of Ugly 7, How about Lucky 7??? I like the sound of that better

M

After reading your post on shoes I think a great handle would be something using the word Clog in it. Clog conqueror, Clogs Rule or Lucky Clogger. Just a few suggestions, I am sure you will arrive with a great one.

I Like "Sure Shot".. 4 letter in both names..Adds up to the great 8… 😉

Thanks to all of you – I think I’m going to go with Sure Shot.
It was also Annie Oakley’s nick name – hers was Little Sure Shot.

Hope to see all of you guys soon,

LeslieD

I like it, has a kind-a-ring to it.

Hey Ugli,

I think you can dispense with those "bad" names. SureShot looks and sounds good and you will only get better.
I think Skidder and Ugli were a one off. Your form looked good in Lake Charles despite the aircraft carriers we were shooting on.

JanF

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Postby Skinny » 29 Apr 2012 23:23

First a little background. On the old message board I wrote up a betting strategy and Goldfinger named it "The Big Skinny". I thought it was in the Wisdom Pages and copied over to the new board. Then when folks started asking about it a couple of days ago I went looking for it. I now believe it was part of a longer thread that did not get copied over. My post entitled "Make your money on the 10+ to 20+ rolls by Skinny" was copied to the Wisdom Pages. But I think I wrote up this strategy in the thread that followed that post. We did not copy all the threads, only the main post. So I guess that is how "The Big Skinny" did not get copied.

I contacted Frank and Dom. They tried to get Dan to see if he could retrieve it from a saved file of the old message board. Unfortunately, it turned out to be impossible. He was able to retrieve a piece of the thread. But he could not retrieve the relevant section. The old board is no longer available so we will not be able to get anything that was there any longer.

Several of you have been asking me and other instructors about it and we have been working to see what we could find. Today I received a copy of the original post that fortunately Goldfinger saved as a pdf file. I have not been able to turn it into a format that can be posted so I am going to retype it from the pdf file. It was a response to a question asked by the Wow Man that was part of the thread that followed the post "Make your money on the 10+ to 20+ rolls by Skinny".

Dan was able to retrieve a piece of the thread but only a tiny section. I will post the piece Dan was able to retrieve as well following the main post on "The Big Skinny".

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Wow Man,

I will be happy to answer your questions about type of bets and progressions. The size is immaterial because each individual has to select a size that fits within his bankroll, 401-G and tolerance for risk. Besides I won’t answer that question anyhow 🙂

Some basics first. I never five count myself. If there are enough controlled shooters at the table I will avoid betting on cfers at all even after the five count. I may bet on a cfer if I like what I see but I know in my head that is a losing strategy. I will 5 count every controlled shooter. But I may bet earlier on a controlled shooter whose shot I know very well and I like the way he/she is throwing.

I always use the hardway set because I like to use come bets on myself.

When I am shooting I start with a pass line with full odds. I then use come bets with full odds after establishing a point. I will hold at a total of 3 bets (pass and 2 comes) until I get 1 hit. Then I will go to 4 (pass and 3 come) bets. After 2 hits, I will go to 5 (pass and 4 come) bets. After 3 hits, I will go to 6 (pass and 5 come) bets. At that point every box number I throw is "off and on" because I have the board covered.

It takes a while before I have the board covered because there is usually a pattern to mu numbers. It is either 6/8 only, inside 5/6/8/9 only or even 4/6/8/10 only. But if the roll extends I will have all the numbers covered because at some point I will have thrown every number.

I do not start my progression until I have collected 8 times (8 hits). I use chips in my rail to tell me which numbers I have hit and how many hits I have. At that point I want to use future wins to put more money on the table. I do that with place bets. On the 9th hit I will take the full win and place it on the number that just hit. Unless I have been hitting a specific number a lot of times on my way to 8 hits. If that is the case I will place the 9th win on that number instead. I will now have 2 bets working on that number, a come and place bet for approximately the same amount each. When I hit that number again I count that as a double hit.

I will continue putting my wins on the number that just hit if it is a single hit. If it is a double hit (come an place) I put the win in my rails. After I collect 4 double hits. I progress my bets again.

On the 5th double hit, I will do a full press on the place bet, keeping the "off and on" from the come bet and put that in my rails. I will follow the same procedure as I did after 8 single hits. I will press the number that just hit unless I have been repeating a specific number. In that case my first press will be of that number regardless of which number was the 5th double hit. These are now considered triple hits (come and pressed place bet).

After 4 triple hits, I do a full press again on the number that hits. On the 5th triple hit, I collect the "off and on" come bet and full press the place bet on the number that just hit.

My progression gets complicated after this so I won’t go into the details because at this point we are probably up to a 30/40+ roll or so and I was talking about how to win with shorter rolls.

When betting on controlled shooters I tend to use the same method of betting after the 5 count is completed. I start with a come bet and progress the same way as I do on myself. I hold at 3 bets until I have a hit and then progress as described above.

But I know some of the controlled shooters I play with like to set for the seven on all their come out rolls. I may not use come bets on that player. On those players I usually start with a place bet on the 6 and 8 or only on one of those numbers for double the amount. After 2 hits I start a press and pull progression. Sometimes I may buy the 4, then the 10 instead of pressing if I see the player is hitting those numbers or the roll is extending and I want to get on more numbers. I will do the same thing on the 4/10 for progression. 1 hit to get double my money back then full press and pull from there on.

If I do choose to bet on a cfer, I usually tread lightly. I tend to 5, 8 or 10 count the shooter. Then I usually make a single wager on the 6 or 8. If the shooter has thrown some 4/10 numbers I may buy the 4 or 10 instead. I will press or spread out after making a profit in my rails. I will make some money on the cfer if it is a very long roll. But on the short rolls, I just want to get my money back or not lose too much. I may also make 2 come bets with full odds and hold at that if I feel good about the cfer. I hope they 7 out when I put down my first come bet or when I put down the 2nd so I only lose the odds on the first bet. I am not looking to make money on a cfer. I want their roll to end quickly so my friends and I can get the dice.

I hope my friends (controlled shooters) have long rolls but I am not trying to make money on their rolls either. I just want to break even or make a small profit on their rolls. I want to make make or break it on my own rolls with my skill.

This is an aggressive betting style but I am comfortable with it. It is far more conservative than I used to bet before I met GTC. Remember for the AC class I stayed 8 days at the casino and played craps for a total of 6 hours over those 8 days. I played BJ and Pai Gow Poker to get my time in for the stay at a low HA. I played over 32 hours for the stay. But only 6 hours of it was at craps. I believe what Frank has taught us. You have to work hard to develop your skill and then only play when conditions are optimal. Do not play when you are not at your peak level for playing.

Thanks Tommy – That was a good read.

Leslie

Here is the link to the entire post with all the responses.

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