Skinny if your point is say 4 and you have 2 come bets out there the 6 and 8 how do you know by your chips in your rail which one you have hit when you have gotten to the 7 th hit .They pay the same .Or do you place them a little faster if you are hitting them in a row ?
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Posted by: Skinny on March 15, 2014, 6:34 am
For example, let me use a 0 to represent an empty slot in the rail and an X to represent a chip showing I hit a specific number. If my bottom rail looked like 0 X X 0 0 X, it would mean I collected a hit on the 5, 6 and 10 for a total of 3 hits.
When I get a 2nd hit on a number I put another chip on top of the previous chip, a third chip goes on top making that position 3 chips high.
By using my bottom rail in this fashion I can keep track of what specific numbers I am hitting in addition to the number of hits I have in total by just counting the number of chips in the bottom rail.
As for your other question, yes I will place a number a little faster if I am hitting it in a row. I can look at the number of chips in any position to see if I have several hits on a specific number.
Say my rail looked like 0 0 3X 0 0 0. 3X means I have 3 chips in that position. In this case I have 3 hits on the six and no hits on any other number. On my next hit of any number I would probably put most of the winnings from that hit as a place bet on the 6 even though it is too early to start placing numbers. But since I seem to be throwing sixes I would want to get more money on the 6 even though I don’t have the profit to justify placing the numbers yet.
Posted by: Finisher on March 15, 2014, 6:11 pm
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂
Posted by: Dr Crapology on March 15, 2014, 6:32 pm
Rose and I do it a little different–not better or worse, just a little different. We keep our chips in the row closest to us and use the row on the table side of the rail to count hits. We simply keep track of our hits by placing a $1 chip for each hit until we hit 8. In the early going it is not difficult to remember if we are hitting the same number repeatedly.
We are very conservative early in our throw. Example: a table with 3,4,5 odds with a $10 minimum bet will pay $40 assuming you are betting $15, $20, $25. With each pay day we like to slowing increase out odds (remember we can bet odds of $30, $40, $50–we start low for bank roll reasons). We increase each payday by $10 placing $30 in the rack. Once we get to 8 paydays we will start a progressing such at press and pull. By being conservative and only increasing by $10 during the first 8 paydays, if we have a 7 out after 3 hits with 4 numbers covered we lose very little. But after the 8 count we will have hit 1 or 2 numbers more than once collecting a little more on those hits as we slowly increase to max odds.
Remember when you think about it, our odds bets are never at risk even with chicken feeders. If we play long enough the worst that can happen is that we will break even on the odds losing only 1.4 % only on the pass and come base bet. We certainly hope to do much better or our own rolls and those control shooters we know and trust. Just be sure you have the bankroll to cover the inevitable swings that do occur in craps.
Hope that will help. Hope others will post how that bet The Big Skinny.
Posted by: Skinny on March 15, 2014, 7:06 pm
That is great and I encourage others to modify TBS to fit their own bankroll and tolerance for risk as well. While what I have written is fairly detailed, there is a lot of room for improvement with modifications to suit each individual’s specific circumstances.
Folks should consider my write up of TBS as a template for a way to bet. It is fairly aggressive but has some protection from an early seven out under certain circumstances which I described in the write up. On an extended roll, you will certainly make a tidy sum with TBS because it puts money on the table, with limitations for BR protection, pretty quickly. That is the way to make a good profit on an extended roll.
But many folks have written in other posts about modifications they have used that they find useful. I strongly encourage people to try it in practice and to try a few modifications in practice until they find something they like and feel comfortable with before venturing into the casinos for live play.
Like any strategy for betting one needs to remain flexible and vigilant at the tables. For example, if you have 3 bets on the table (PL and 2 come) and are hitting a number repeatedly that you are not on, you need to consider getting up on that number. You could take some odds off one of your bets to place the number you are hitting, you could take additional money from the rails to place the number, you could just risk additional come bets until you get up on the numbers you are hitting or you could decide to stay the course and wait to hit the numbers you are on. These are decisions one has to be prepared to make at the table based on your knowledge of your own game, bankroll and tolerance for risk. I and no one else can give you a foolproof formula for all situations. You need to understand your own game and decide how best to risk your money to make money.
Posted by: TommyC on May 21, 2014, 2:51 pm
Thanks for your help.
TommyC
Posted by: TommyC on May 21, 2014, 4:09 pm