If you are playing the doey-don’t on the come as well as pass line then you will have come and don’t come bets up on the box numbers. Your come bets are contract bets and they ARE working on the come out roll. You will lose the come bets and win the don’t come bets on a come out 7. Of course the same thing happens on the Pass and Don’t Pass wagers. You win the pass and lose the don’t pass on the come out 7.

Skinny Well lets try some thing a little different. You place a number and make a flat DC bet the same amount. So then if 7 appears you have your place bet covered.If you roll the number you win more then you loose on the DC bet.
I guess that is the idea I was thinking about .
Now this is when playing a machine only.
I am going to have to watch how these guys bet their way to see how they do it with taking odds and all.But one guy just came back from Vegas and said that they have a new machine that will let you bet both sides at one machine.
The 12 does not hurt them to much as far as I can tell.
I have never played the don’t side so need to learn the odds and pay outs.
I watch these guys playing 2 or 4 machines at a time .It seems like work to me.
Good Rolling. 😀

On the Don’t side pay outs are the reverse of the Pass side. Pass line and Come bets … 4 and 10 pay 1 for 2, 5 and 9 pay 2 for 3, 6 and 8 are 5 for 6. All the other bets are likewise reversed. If i remember correctly the House advantage is similiar to the right side. however the Casino denies you either the 2 or 12, depending on local, which swings the total advantage to them. If they didn’t the Don’t shooter would have a slight overall advantage.

On this betting system your discussing, where do you make money. Opposing Pass/Don’t Pass bets are even money and pushes. If you back them both with Odds, example the 5/9, you will make some but not much.

Not sure about what the point of this exercise is

I am not really sure what you are describing. But whatever it is I am positive it will not work.

You can not get around the HA to have bets cancel each other out so that you get comps without any risk. Any scheme you come up with will cost you more because of the HA than you can earn in comps.

"The 12 does not hurt them to much as far as I can tell."

Baloney, I went thru the numbers on the other post. It only seems that way because it does not happen all that frequently. But that little amount of twelves is enough to give the house an advantage with the doey-don’t. It is very close to the HA on the Do all alone or betting the Don’t all alone.

You can not beat the math.

This came about the (machine post ). On the craps machine you get points for coin in out. Were in a real craps game you do not . I think they go by bets made and time at table . They do not count $$ put up on this way of betting.
It is just like slots.Coin in coin out.
Good Rolling.

Would the wins on odds make up for the 12s that would put you in the hole?
This is a new type of craps player. Like one said to me the other day . He made 800 points and had a profit of .98 . That is 98 pennies after 6 hrs.
Skinny Stop LOL NOW. i WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY SUPPER.
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

"Finisher" wrote: Would the wins on odds make up for the 12s that would put you in the hole?

There is no win on odds in a random game. It is a wager with a HA of 0%. So it is a break even wager in the long run.

"Finisher" wrote: He made 800 points and had a profit of .98 . That is 98 pennies after 6 hrs.

Yes, playing the doey-don’t on the machines is a very low HA way to play. So most of the time the wins or losses are going to be small for any given session.

But it is not much different than playing the pass line by itself or the don’t pass by itself. All 3 ways of playing have a low HA.

They could be doing the same thing just playing the pass line only. Most of the sessions will end up with a small win or small loss.

But there IS a HA in all 3 situations. Over time that HA will eat into their bankroll and it will be larger than anything they think they are getting back in comps. These guys are kidding themselves thinking they have found a way to eliminate the HA in a random game.