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    Browsing the web surprised me with plethora of people claiming dice control is not real. I have no axe to grind. I do not work for GTC and never have. I took what what was taught to me and practiced with great diligence for many years. The results from the very beginning have been fair to excellent. Some crew and some shooters recognize my skill set. I do it often enough to recognize it is not random. Yet, there are many doubters and downright deniers on the web. I know that I will never change their minds. But, I also know that dice control is real. Many friends and family have seen me shoot and were suitably impressed. It is not that I am a great shooter, but one who shoots in the teens and higher almost every monthly visit to the casinos.

    Conversely, the doubting Thomas’s and deniers make my life easier. I come, I go and come again. No hassle. Who said, "Take the money and run."

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    Posted by: sevenout on October 8, 2013, 2:04 pm

    Who said, "Take the money and run"

    I’m going to go with Steve Miller. 😆

    Posted by: billythekid on October 9, 2013, 3:47 am

    Phil,
    There are many who doubt. If you do some experiments with tossing machines or use slow motion video it is very easy to doubt that any control is possible.
    We know that it takes A LOT of practice and we also know that the edge can be small but by practicing and making low house edge bets you can achieve an edge.
    When Stanford Wong came to our class and then wrote his book many of his followers did trials and experiments and were not successful. He discovered what we know, that you must practice constantly, find good tables and make good bets. He doesn’t practice anymore so doesn’t have an edge throwing but still contacts some of the people that he met on this board to come and shoot with him.
    It’s much easier to doubt the possibility than to work hard and get an edge.
    BTK

    Posted by: Dr Crapology on October 9, 2013, 11:39 am

    Phil. Great subject. BTK kid made a lot of excellent comments. I love the craps crew comments that dice control simply doesn’t work. In response I usually say something like "you are probably right but it can’t hurt" or "yea, I bought the book and probably paid too d***much for it." This second comment usually gets a good laugh.

    I have two friends who have read the book, don’t really practice but go to the casino and try–I might add unsuccessfully and one bets really big. One man even commented "why should I take the course since I read the book, talked to you and do better than the average craps player and the course costs too much." AND this is after he paid over $2200 to take a poker boot camp. Go figure.

    These "who want to be a craps controller" but can’t make it better for us in the casino. Hope to see you in the casino soon.

    Just my $.02 worth.

    Doc

    Posted by: TheLion on October 9, 2013, 5:19 pm

    In my mind, there’s NO DOUBT that dice control works. I’ve seen my shot improve so much and the ability to hit 6 & 8’s is crazy when my shot is "on".

    And, it always seemed to me (even BEFORE I took the GTC class) that any shooter that took their time, set the dice, and tried to hit box numbers were better than the random "chuck & duck" CFers.

    Posted by: Finisher on October 9, 2013, 8:24 pm

    I find that it is better to say less and roll more . Just my 01 cents worth .
    Good Rolling. 😀 😀

    Philham
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