Scan,
Frank and his partner did private lessons with Dom. Many of us have met and played with Frank in LV. When he was playing very day he was a very good shooter. I really enjoyed the podcast.
BTK

I liked the fact that they brought out about making the comps part of the profit at the dice table, if you can take a trip eat great stay in a nice room get your airfare paid to go there and come home a couple bucks ahead, that is a several thousand dollar vacation that the hotel just paid for nice.

Billy and all

Yeah, there are some really good podcasts on Dancer’s site.

He has two with casino host Steve Cyr which are good.

Max Rubin is good.

In the interview of dice control author Stanford Wong he goes back and forth on dice control

I still think GTC should have a podcast it would be great. Lots of good stories right here

The Gamblers Book Club has a podcast also if you are interested

Frank B and his buddy, were great shooters.

He has some great stories about his escapades in Vegas.

The podcast idea is in the forming stage right now

Dominator

I listened to the podcast. Found it interesting but not very informative. I thought the interview was very superficial, probably due to time constrictions.
I don’t think that Frank B adds much to our discussion.
First, he is different from most of the classmates I have met at GTC.
He was accomplished at other games, mostly blackjack and had some interesting stories. But there was something lacking in his presentation that made him different from what I have experienced at GTC.
He lacked passion for the game. I did not sense any love for the game at all. Most of the people I have met at GTC have a passion for the game before they ever start on advantage play. In other words, they have played for years, mostly with limited success, but stayed with the game because they love everything about the game. The dice, the layout, the betting and they would also love to win.
I think Frank B came to craps in a different way. He played other games, but does not seem to have a passion for craps. He came to craps only as a means to winning. Now don’t get me wrong, we all want to win. But many of us played the game for years, without winning. We had a passion for the game.
And let me add, that the passion for the game is an important element to the final reward. The passion is the foundation upon which Advantage play rests. The passion is what makes you practice in the beginning. Winning makes you practice after that. The passion is what keeps you going when the rolls just dont happen. This is evidenced by the fact that Frank B gave up his experiment with craps when it became too time consuming. Bully for him, he gave up an experiment that made him 50g in one year in winnings, although he gave 20g back for a total win of 30g in one year. Apparently, that was not big enough a win for him. For me, it would be phenomenal. I would take that every year if I could do it.
Also, I am not so sure that he was approaching the game correctly. He says that slo mo on his dice made him see that his dice were spinning in such a way that they looked like they were in a blender. He said that if he had seen slo mo before trying the experiment, he would never have done it. This is not my experience with GTC. The slo mo at the video elite confirmed to me that I could, with proper technique, gain an advantage. So, something was wrong with his throw. Or he was misinterpreting the spin. I am not sure.
Lastly, he and his crew generated tremendous heat at the casino’s they played in. Frank B, says his throw was designed to land one to three inches from the wall and NOT hit the wall. As a result, he was banned from the casino’s he felt were best to play in.
For me, I am glad he hung up the dice and no longer shoots as an advantage player. I think his style would have created needless heat from the casino’s for all of us.
Give me GTC. I’ll take it any day over what this guy and his team were doing.

I might be biased but I agree with you Gameday. All his calculations were on his throws only, he got banned because he approached the game as a team and it became obvious what he was trying to do. The only good thing was that he ended up making money.

Dominator

I disagree with some of GameDays comments.

Frank B did not say they tried not to hit the back wall. They tried to land the dice one to three inches from the back wall and hit the underside of the pyramids. Frank B said that when you land the dice six to ten inches from the back wall you don’t always hit the back wall.

I think Frank B reinforces what GTC teaches. Dice control takes a lot of work and it would not be easy to be a full time dice controller. I took it he is a full time advantage player and his game of choice is betting football. They also pointed out that you can stay under the casino’s radar much easier counting card that standing at SL1, setting the dice and using a pendulum swing.

I have also seen slow motion of a dice throw and if you look at slow motion of a random throw you would agree with what he said.

This post should be discussing a couple of the things he pointed out and is there anything we can learn from all the work they did.

1. Has anyone else had the same results of the touching (inside) faces of the dice not showing up statically in the numbers they should?

2. Having better results landing the dice 1"-2" from the wall so they hit the bottom of the pyramids

3. Even though GTC has developed throws for different playing surfaces I find it much easier to make a profit playing on the best tables.

I have listen to all the dice podcast on Bob Dancers site and the Gambles Book Club site and Frank B’s podcast is the best of the lot.

Thomas,
I am going to re-listen to the podcast to see if I gain a new perspective, but in the meantime, I agree with you that it is much better to play on the best tables. The problem is that some places just have one type of table. For example, I was recently on a cruise and it had only one table and it had microfiber and had some sort of cushion under the microfiber. My "A" shot just didn’t work. Eventually, I went to low and slow from SL1. That seemed to work better. My A shot worked much better from SR1, which I shot from because the only table was so crowded at times that I could not get to SL1 or SL2.
Knowing a shot for a different table came in handy and after some adjustments I was able to turn a profit for the cruise.

I did think the statistical analysis of the inside face of the dice was interesting and worth pursuing. I am wondering if a hardway shot addresses the issue if the 1-6 seven doesn’t show up. In other words a proper throw with a hardway set up would seem to bear this analysis out. What do you think?

Lastly, I will tell you that a few years ago I had one of my top three throws of all time at a table where I was forced to drop the dice close to the wall because of all the action and odds and the short distance from the pass line to the wall that existed at the table. I got in a zone and I even remember that I had to make a six for the point and I threw it so that it actually landed in the dead zone at the base of the wall and just stuck on a hard six right there at the base with no movement at all after the landing. I can still see it so clearly in my mind. So the close landing did work for me on that table. Unfortunately, I was in a Caribbean casino and I have not been back since. I have not had the same results here at the tables I play at.
In any event, I did find Frank B’s stories amusing and interesting.
However, I still think his presentation showed a lack of passion for the game of craps itself prior to becoming an advantage player. And I do think that if he had this passion he may have stayed with the game. One thing that GTC teaches is patience. Sometimes without the passion , you do not have the patience to practice and wait for results in the game. Frank B’s results for the year were fantastic and, like I said earlier, I would be most happy with the results he had. That is what I meant when I said that I liked the GTC method better. It teaches patience for results and passion for practice and the game. It also teaches that any win should be respected. Even small wins are to be celebrated.
After I re-listen to the podcast, if I have anything else to add, I will do it here.
Thanks for the response. You really made me think about my remarks. One of the reasons I like this site so much.

Thomas H. I heard the same thing you did.