AlamoTX:

Congrats on your 39 and a very wise post.

This is very well put

Chances are you’ll lose your winnings hoping for an even bigger roll following an already healthy win. I am finding that a lot of GTC trained players stay too long and many make bad bets.

There have been times where after a really big hand, I have called Southwest and changed flights and left.

On getting up on numbers faster… What if you place the 6-8 for $12 or $18 then make a come bet, this way if you are pounding a different number over and over, you are profiting from that.

I generally like to start with 3 comebets with minimal odds until the numbers hit. Then press the odds until max. If you have place bets up on a number and a come bet hits that number, then take down the place bet and use those chips to place odds. It works great for me and you get up on all numbers fast.
Cmcierra

I know one thing you can not play affraid to bet, and you can not ;think you will get ahead every time, you shot three times maybe two if the dice look bad four if they look great and it is not at night so you are still fresh.

why people can not understand shoot two or three times then take a break then do it again is beyond me.

really with the way we throw the dice aka let them roll out of our ;hand it takes it toll after a couple of shots you are not fresh, go rest for a hour then come back.

Is there anyone out there that cvan say they are as freash as when they started an hour or two later?

I know this opening your hand and watching the dice bounce all over the table is not a controlled throw.

The dice have to pull out of your hand and roll off your fingers you must keep it closed or your betting will not matter at all.

Hope to be added to your list in late June, Bman!

Interesting, 2 place bets (6,8) followed by some come bets!

Thoughts by others would be appreciated!

Wish I would of made that come bet on a dp roller. All I did was place the 6 and 8 while he rolled the 9 10 or 12 times. The 6 and 8 came up enough that I was happy. After losing his DP BET 3 TIMES HE CHANGED TO PASS LINE.he did win 2 x before the 7 came.
Good Rolling. 😀

"Finisher" wrote: Wish I would of made that come bet on a dp roller. All I did was place the 6 and 8 while he rolled the 9 10 or 12 times. The 6 and 8 came up enough that I was happy. After losing his DP BET 3 TIMES HE CHANGED TO PASS LINE.he did win 2 x before the 7 came.
Good Rolling. 😀

Right now at this very moment there is a dp roller someplace in the world who is rolling the 9, 10 or 12 times. You are not betting on him and you are not making any money on him. But more importantly, you are not LOSING any money on him either.

In order for you to have made money on THAT dp roller you would have to bet the 9 on every dp roller. Then comes the question of when do you bet the 9 on a dp roller? Do you go up on him right away? Do you wait for him to complete the five count? Do you wait for him to roll several 9’s first before betting the 9? How many 9’s do you wait? Do you go up after he rolls 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 nines?

Well I have the answer to all those questions that guarantees you will come out ahead in the future. Do NOT make any wagers on a random roller ever again. If you follow that advice I guarantee you will have more money in your pocket at the end of your gaming career than if you try to figure out when and how to bet on random rollers.

There is no upside to betting on a random roller. In the long run you will end up losing money no matter how many long rolls you catch.

Develop your controlled throw and make your money by betting on yourself. If you can not make money on your own throw, go back to the practice table and do not go into a casino until you can make money on yourself. If you can not get better with practice, take a tune up, video analysis or another refresher. Then go back and practice until you are good enough to make money on your own throw.

If you shoot with other GTC trained players, use the five count and bet on them in a cautious manner unless you know the player and know he is on his game. But your primary and only goal should be to make money on your own throw.

If you are not able to accomplish or develop the discipline to follow this advice then accept the fact that you are a gambler hoping to win in a losing game and in the end you will leave more money on the tables then you take off.

Finisher, I started this with advice for you and then got off track onto a general description for anyone who wants to follow the GTC guidelines. So this is not directed at you but it is meant as overall advice to everyone on the board.

Thank you for listening.

Skinny, is so right on. Where I get frustrated is when a CF’er’s is throwing and I am using the 5 count and watching him roll 2 or 3 eights or sixs before he completes the five count. I then make my 1 come bet with single odds and it too is a 6 or 8. AND he never hits my number before his 7 out–it may be 1 or 2 rolls or 15. I am frustrated but it happens and I must and do accept that. This is what I do on each and every random roller, no exceptions.

The beautitul Alligator Rose has a great throw and I do wait a little on her (as she does on me) and if her throw looks good (and I have seen enough in practice at home to know) then I may go to the come line a little earlier—on the 3 or 4 count–no odds until the 5 count is complete. Then I am ready with odds the 1st roll after the 5 count is complete. A little more aggressive but not much.

MAKE YOUR MONEY ON YOURSELF AND OTHER GTC PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW. It is the only way.

Doc

"brothelman" wrote: I know this opening your hand and watching the dice bounce all over the table is not a controlled throw.
The dice have to pull out of your hand and roll off your fingers you must keep it closed or your betting will not matter at all.

Brothelman, other than the above, which doesn’t seem to be a concern in the original post, and the issue of shooting when tired that you mentioned in your previous post and which the original post also advises against, do you have any betting observations? Are you a 6&8 and max odds guy? Or a come bettor? What would you suggest in order to get up on more numbers quickly but safely? Have you ever desired to have more numbers covered faster and acted on it? How did it go ❓ 🙂

AlamoTx, thanks for the report. I have no advice to offer, only frustration to share. I am also still trying to figure out the betting, especially because my signature numbers vary with each hand. Sometimes my three numbers keep hitting and are enough to keep me happy and profitable, other times one single number that I don’t have will hit 3 or maybe 4 or even 5 times!! I don’t believe in changing my bets around too much when I am shooting and I don’t like to be chasing numbers. I also don’t come bet very often. So yeah, I’m in the same boat as you. 😐

Ahh… The Holy Grail of betting… Maximizing your investment with minimal risk. A conundrum for sure. Agame is spot-on, sometimes your signature numbers will vary game by game, so what to do… What to do… I would guess that your come betting method would be the best answer. We need to field test this! Sounds like another road trip! Who’s in?
😎

betting advice i do not give.

I bet into my srr and what smart craps says i can handle

Regarding what might have been a bit of an offhand criticism of my throw here, I have this to say. None of us has a perfect throw. I’ve seen quick seven outs, watching some of the really famous ones on this forum, including the critic. Anyone who works at controlling the dice knows that we each have things we have to work on. Dice control is like golf. One small variance in technique can cause unsavory results, and like a golf swing, your dice throw begins the moment you pick up the cubes and ends the moment they come out of your hand. My particular issue seems to occur most often on the release where my fingertip tension is not always what I want it to be. A word of caution. Grip at the end of the arc is my issue to work on, so don’t take this as some kind of advice on how to better release the dice. In fact, ‘release’ is the wrong word. For me, if my finger tips are where they are supposed to be when the dice come out, I’ll feel the dice slip out from between the thumb and middle finger. If I don’t feel the dice leaving the thumb and middle finger, I’m probably letting my hand come open. Can I fix it during that particular turn with the dice? Maybe. Maybe not. It’s a lot easier to analyze and fix a technical problem in practice. But, bottom line is that, no matter who you are, when you have a short roll, you are either doing something incorrectly or you are having very bad luck. It might be grip. It might be alignment. It might be too high an arc, etc. You might be tired. You might be rattled by the crew. So, if any of you have a short hand, including any who have pointed out my throwing errors, and you point seven or exit in just a few rolls (as I saw happen to you in Vegas), you too are doing something wrong on one or more of the dozens of things that have to happen correctly in a controlled throw. You can go rest all you want, but if you’re missing something you’re doing wrong, you will continue to lose. That’s why it’ s important to quit after a few turns if it ain’t working. Because it ‘ain’t working’. You’ve got to quit and get a handlw on what is wrong. When I"m playing with another GTC person, especially a blocker, I like to ask that person to tell me what he or she is seeing. Part of being a good team player, IMO, is helping your teammates. If, for example, my fellow shooter is not seeing back spin on my dice, I know I am most probably not gripping the dice tight enough at the finish, and my hand is open at the end of the follow through. Shooting alone or with no watcher, I might not figure that out in time to save the hand. It is something I look for in my game, and each person has to know what to look for in his own game. In golf, you might be gripping the club too tightly, causing tension all the way up your body, affecting your entire swing. Most of this stuff is anecdoctal, of course, and not proved like a science. The one thing I know about myself is that I have now had rolls in the high thirties twice in Vegas and many in the teens and 20s. My game is improving all the time. When I was a random roller from 1982 until I began to study GTC methods I NEVER, EVER held the dice that long and I only saw one other person hold them for long rolls like that. So, whatever I"m doing is improving my game, and I will keep working on it. Constructive criticism, I appreciate. Fault finding, I can do without.

AlamoTx I went back and re-read posts . Not much criticism I think. At least not bad. I think most people liked what they read. I did keep posting.
It was a little hard to read . I did the same thing when I started posting.
We are not all pro. writers.
I never get up that early to play craps. Got up that early all my life for work. Now I get to slept in and love it. 😀 😀
Good Rolling. 😀