Alligator Rose and I an analysis several years ago for a year’s worth of play. We hit the casinos 16 times in 12 months. We won money 7 times and lost 9 times. Sound like bad results. Not really. At this point I don’t remember all the details, but here is a summary as best I can remember. The wins on two occasions were $2200 and $1600 respectively. The other five wins were in the $300 to $600 range.

As to the losses we lose $1200 one time and all of the other losses were under $300. Bottom line the wins were up about double the losses. Remember the casinos do not win from every player every time. They simply win more than that lose. There’s is a proven math advantage. Ours is a proven skill that we must practice almost daily. It takes a lot of patience, stamina, an adequate bankroll, and the ability not to sweat the losses as THEY WILL HAPPEN.

You mention that the class is expensive. Rose and I look at this cost not as an expense but as an investment. It has paid very handsomely for us. Any business venture takes some investment and dice control is no different.

As to how you will do right after the class–yes you will see some improvement in the beginning but you may see your success fall off a bit as you will unconsciously go back to some bad habits. At this point you must self critique your throw and betting habits with what you learned in the class. If you can find someone in your area to practice with, better yet. You can then take a refresher, video analysis, or tune up. Dice control with advantage over the casino is not an destination but a continuing journey.

Just a few thoughts. Assuming you are really committed, save your money (you can even pay in advance in installments) and you will be good to go. Just remember it does take a lot of practice and dedication.

Sounds like you are the type who will do good with GTC. Hope to meet you in the future./

Doc

I have yet to see anyone disappointed in taking a class. You see, I was in your shoes just a few months ago. I thought my shot was good before the class but it wasn’t and these guys pointed out all of my flaws which I couldn’t see at the time. The instructors are all very skilled shooters. Where do you want to be 1 year from now. Same old, Same old. Or, do you want a great toss. Do you want the confidence to know when you walk up to a table you will win.

Doc C has offered good advice. The class is an investment in your on skill and future at the tables.

I have had a primer, 2 refreshers, and a tune up/ video analysis. My game improved after each.
From the first class the results improved right away. I did however reach a point where improvement all but stopped. the first refresher got things moving again. after about a year I came to a point of little or no improvement. Another refresher and again much more improvement. The tune up continue the process. So much so that I am planning a second tune up latter this year.

Bottom line is this. Take the class you will be happy you did. Expect to see a lot of improvement from it.
At the same time understand it may require more training to reach the level you want. That is not to say you won’t win money with only one class. You will win more than you lose if you practice hard and follow what is taught in class as to how to bet only the bets with a low house advantage. My goal is to be as good as I am capable of being. That means I will seek on going training for as long as I am able to play the game. A collage degree in any thing cost money. Advanced education in Dice Control is the same. You alone will be able to decide when you are satisfied with your level of success.

JRC

As an added bonus, or maybe the best part is the people of GTC. They are the greatest from the very top to the bottom and they become lifelong friends.

Every casino venue will have GTC students that play there and will help you in any way they can, like Tom "Mr Las Vegas" Brothelman. He is a warehouse of information on, where to play, where to stay, where to eat, the GTC shot , and the 20 COMMANDMENTS.

Goldfinger

As the first student 10 years ago, I can tell you that I started out with $300 with which to gamble, and now have a very nice 401G account.

True the class is expensive, but it is a journey, not a destination. You must be prepared to practice, practice, practice, or the money will indeed be wasted. All GTC folk who are successful, and there are plenty of us, practice diligently. You must either buy a practice rig, or build one. (You didn’t say what you are using.) As said above, with each succeeding class, your toss will be tweaked, and with practice, you will be successful.

Many friendships have been formed through the classes and through this site. Playing and practicing with other GTC grads is a way to have a lot of fun, as well as have others tell you what they see in your shot so as to improve.

If you are going to take a class, we would suggest that you stop throwing, as it is far more difficult to correct mistakes that are inbred. Simply practice the grip, which is the most important element with which to start.

The advance class would only be taken after two refresher classes.
Hope to see you soon.

Goddess

My two cents in addition to the other great comments….

It is a lot of practice, as is the case with getting good at anything. But if you truly want to invest the time and resources, you will not be disappointed.

You’ll find you loose less and as you get better and trust your throw more, you’ll bet INTO your throw, taking advantage of your skill. This is a very rewarding time, when you see the financial results of your hard work, and when you realize that you do have an advantage.

Goddess is spot on with her advice. Just practice grip and setting the dice at this point. We find it is more difficult for the student, to when they do take a class, to erase old habits formed while trying to tackle this on their own. Many of us are living testimonies to this fact, myself included. The quickest learners in the beginning classes are those who have not developed bad habits, and listen to what GTC has recommended.

The throw is 98% grip and will be something you will always work on. My friendly advice is to learn the dice pips. Know those dice to the point that just looking at only two sides you know EXACTLY what is on ALL sides. This is crucial in setting the dice quickly, and in your first class, you will want to spend that precious time working on grip and throw…..not fumbling around with the dice.

You can’t put a price tag on the friendships you’ll develop along the way either… 🙂

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