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I visited a casino for the 1st time yesterday since the refresher class in Memphis.
Could not get my spot at 1st casino, only 3 people at table but 1 of them taking up SL 1, 2 and 3
Went to casino # 2.
3 people at the table.
My 1st roll, 5 , 5 point, 6 , 8 , 6 point. After a few more 6s and 8s, I was told my hand was crossing the center of the table and that was not allowed. Ok I knew that and have received that warning before. I moved down a little to SL 2, came right back w/ my point.
2 or 3 more hits and I’m feeling good and confident. I was then told ”The dice are not leaving your hand before you cross the center line”. I moved down some more but I had lost it, now all I could think about was the dice leaving my hand. 7 out, I tried to shoot again ( several times ) and inch back up to position but it was too late, I was on tilt, I was steaming. Colored up and left.
Note – did play one of their new video poker machines, won 9 times my buyin at the craps table and walked out the door w/ their money anyway, πŸ˜†


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Posted by: Dominator on May 8, 2013, 6:18 pm

Well first congratulations on the VP Win!

Next, this was some jerk …. has to leave your hands before you cross the middle!

Don’t let it worry you. The only thing that I can advise is after you rolled again and felt that you were on tilt, you should have moved to that VP machine

Dominator

Posted by: TommyC on May 8, 2013, 7:28 pm

You are so very correct.

Posted by: Finisher on May 8, 2013, 11:38 pm

Dom I don’t know about you but would love to have made 9x my bye in .Let them complain ALL they want will just let it go by 9x faster. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

Posted by: Dr Crapology on May 9, 2013, 12:04 pm

When something like this happens to us, Alligator Rose and I simply pick up all place and come/pass line odds bets and either throw a chicken feeder shot to try and take down as many of the pass line/come bets with out odds as luck will give us. Or we might pass the dice and say the remaining come/pass line bets are for the dealers. The jerk telling you this, is usually the box idiot or crazed pit boss and not the dealers. So take care of the dealers as they are not at fault.

If the one giving your trouble is a dealer or stickman I still take down the place and odds bets and throw the dice and take any small wins. In this situation the dealers don’t get the wins.

Go to another casino or come back during a different shift at the same casino. There is always another time or place to shoot dice. You did good to move on.

Way to go on the VP win.

Doc and Alligator Rose

Posted by: TommyC on May 9, 2013, 2:18 pm

It was the box lady. The dealers were rolling there eyes. She was from somewhere in Europe. The dealers did not like her, but it did not matter she got to my head and as you and Dom said I should have left sooner. Sometimes going on tilt is easier to recognize after the fact instead of at the time its happening. That’s why I don’t play poker, I have to may tells and if I have a good hand I might as well stand up and tell everyone what I have. πŸ˜†

Posted by: Mr Finesse on May 9, 2013, 2:21 pm

Good job on the VP win, it is always nice to walk with their money.

I agree with everyone else, you just happened to run into an idiot who said the dice were not coming out of your hand before your hand crossed the center line. Coloring up and leaving is the only thing to do, we want to enjoy ourselves when we are playing. If we wanted grief and aggravation we would have gone to work that day.

Keep practicing and continue to play smart, you were a great student and a great player.

Posted by: TommyC on May 9, 2013, 3:48 pm

It made me question my release, my backswing, everything ! Nearly dragging my knuckles like you taught me seems to be the thing that helps me keep my shot in line and my release correct. Why all of a sudden from SL2 was I over the line ?
Then I realized it did not matter, I needed to color up and get off the table and get my mind right. Thanks for all the practice tips, I’m trying to retain as many as I can.

Posted by: AlamoTx on May 9, 2013, 7:10 pm

Staying in the face of heat is very difficult. My spin on this has two major rules, as follows:
1. Play somewhere that has a reputation for letting you play.
2. Play somewhere that has a reputation for letting you play.
If 1 doesn’t work, try 2.

3. Practice with distractions. Every time we shoot, even with a friendly crew, we are like a free throw shooter in a big game on the road. I sometimes have my GF screw around with me ( not a literal picture in this instance ) while I’m practicing. Ever had a woman lift up her shirt from where the boxman sits while you’re trying to throw? In casino play, you’re going to get everything from chips on your target spot to a drunk right next to you threatening to marry you if you hit the ‘yo’ again. Even if you have an SRR of 17, it won’t do you any good if you can’t tune out the distractions. Casino play has distractions. Learn to tune them out.

I know this is contrary to some teachings, but when I get warned about hitting the back wall, I don’t even acknowledge that it happened the first time. If I get warned again, I will sometimes say I’m sorry and will watch it. If I’m hitting the back wall everytime, and I know I’m making contact with the wall, and they’re still telling me to hit the back wall, I tune them out. I pretend they are background music. Never been sixed yet for that. If you know the rules and you’re not breaking them, it would take a real A hole to toss you. (But it could happen)…so go back to Rule 1 and Rule 2.

Finally, don’t be a jackass yourself. I’ve watched a few GTC players who claim they get heat and from the way they behave I can see why. Don’t be a dick. As an example, when you’re not shooting, make friends with the crew. I just got back from Vegas, and there is a place I like to play that has kind of a cranky pit boss who likes to come over and tell me to hit the back wall. He has a face like his preparation H isn’t kicking in, if you know what I mean. While the dice were going around and I was waiting to shoot, I chatted him up and even got him to crack a smile. If you can humanize your tormentors and they can humanize you, that can go a long way. After chatting with the guy, I dropped the dice short on my first throw, looked at the guy, shrugged and said "Don’t tell me. I’ll fix it" I did and he wandered off after that.

Remember Rule 1 and 2 most of all. It’s a lot more fun when the refs don’t call the game so close.

Good luck and keep on rollin’

Alamo

Posted by: Dominator on May 10, 2013, 11:22 am

Great comments TX!

Dominator

Posted by: TommyC on May 11, 2013, 1:42 pm

Alamo, I took your advice last night during practice . Created distractions.
Had my oldest stepson go to his room and play Minecraft w/ the volume turned up all the way.
Put my phone in my pocket on vibrate and had my daughter call me repeatedly.
My youngest stepson and oldest grandson were standing by the table.
One would chant come on 7 and the other would yell dollar yo just as I picked up the dice.
I also had the two of them argue the rest of the time. ( this was the easy part )
My wife stood very close to me and constantly propositioned me.
After about 15 minutes I yelled at my stepson to turn the volume down, told my daughter not to call unless it was an emergency,
separated the other two and told them I did not want to hear them speak the rest of the night.
The other distraction was just too much to overcome, practice over. πŸ˜†

Posted by: Mr Finesse on May 11, 2013, 2:31 pm

Years ago, many years ago when I first became in dice control I was easily distracted. One day I brought a small tape recorder with me and I recorded all the noises that were made in a casino, slot machines, screaming, hollering and back round music for about 2 hours. I brought this home and I started playing this when I was practicing.

I could not believe how loud the back round noise was and how much it helped me block out these distractions.

Posted by: Finisher on May 12, 2013, 8:52 pm

Great advise. Hope to meet and talk with you some day . You bring more hope for this site.
Good Rolling. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

Posted by: The Griz on May 12, 2013, 9:05 pm

Great words, Tx! Hope your trip was fruitfull! Just practicing till June, 2 trips to Vegas planned.
Hope to see you over there sometime soon.