I don’t count the number of throw with a pair of dice. I simply change them when the shart edges have worn down and they seem a little slick. I would guess several thousand rolls.

Doc

Look at it this way, how often do the casinos change dice?

Figure 60 decisions per hour, one sleeve of 5 dice get 1440 tosses in three 8 hour shifts.

Since only 2 dice out of 5 are used at a time, that works out to and average of 576 rolls for each die. And that’s if they only switch out the dice once per day, not once per shift.

At home I change dice after 1800 tosses.

Stealthman,

I change every 12000 rolls. One sleeve of red and one of any other color. In fact I just retired 2 sleeves. My results usually tank for about 1800 rolls. I use one pair for one practice session of 120 rolls, set them aside and pick another pair and so on and so forth.

Most casinos here open new dice in the morning and they have had some rolls before I get there. If new dice are opened for use while I am at the table I generally color up and go home or come back in a couple hours. Sometimes it is just more mental with me so it is better to try later.

OneMoonCircles

I can’t give you a scientific reason why a sharper edge on the dice help, but I find in my practice that the sharper edges seem to grab the felt better and the dice are better controlled.

Just my observations. Someone on this board may a have a better explanation or may want to disagree.

Just my $.02 worth.

Doc

Essentially that is the reason you want to use new dice. Sharp edges will grab the felt better and create more of a braking action on the dice than worn dice with rounded edges. The braking action reduces the energy with which the dice travel forward to the back wall minimizing the amount of roll and reaction by the dice coming off the back wall.

Also the sharper the dice, the better you will be able to "feel" them rolling off your finger tips. It is harder to get the proper rotation with worn dice. Sharp edges naturally rotate when they roll off the fingers during the upward arc of the pendulum swing.

I’ve found that dice wih sharp edges are more likely to grab the felt and bounce back before hitting the wall if the throw is soft and the dice fall near to or over 45 degrees.
Also I never feel the edge of the dice when they roll out and from under my fingertips on the release. Where am I wrong?

It is really difficult to analyze from only a description. It is only possible to give an accurate analysis from seeing your throw.

With that qualification and disclaimer I will make an attempt. It sounds like you may be flicking your wrist and putting too much rotation on the dice. That could possibly explain why the dice seem to have a lot of backspin and you are not able to feel the edges off rolling off your fingers.

It is OK to flick your wrist a bit but it is better if you don’t change your wrist position from start to finish. The dice should roll off the fingers with the proper rotation to cause them to die gently close to the back wall if executed properly.

One additional thing. I just noticed your comment about over 45 degrees. The sharper the angle of descent the more the dice will die. If you have them coming in at too sharp an angle it is possible to have them die suddenly before hitting the back wall. The 45 degree angle works best under good conditions.

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE NEW DICE. Box lady, to me, "David I gotta bring in new dice." (I was shooting) Me to box lady, "come on." I had HW for myself, and dealers, which were off during the come out roll. I told the dealer to turn OUR bets on. Hard Six. Hard eight. Only bad thing neither shot hit the back wall. Both hit dead bang 2-3" short. Said "OOPS" both times, zero heat because they know me at this Casino.

Dice brought in I am sure for distraction, because I was on a nice roll. (I will write this post tonight) New dice are really a pleasure to use…..always. If you paid attention in class, and home practice!

DavidM 😀

I use feel, if the dice aren’t sharp anymore I change them

Dominator