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The all important grip.

Even after the Primer, Refresher and the Video, I’m still struggling here.
Mostly with splitting at the bottom.
Tried lowering the thumb, even lowering the three fingers in front.
Tried also light soft grip.
But the split happens often, again and again.
If I inspect for the split and make the correction before throwing,
the throw looks good. But then the split creeps in again.
Anyone has ideas?

… the GRIP, … the GRIP, … the all important grip, …


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Posted by: getagrip on March 30, 2013, 6:01 pm

Hi!

I am sure the instructors will give you the best feedback but I am going to chime in here because I have struggled with the dreaded split for years also.

These are a couple of things I have noticed so you may want to play around with these to see if any of these are your problem also. Once you figure out where the split is actually coming from then it may be easier to fix it.

OK things I have noticed about my own split problems:

(1) I have to use quite a pronounced "C" grip to avoid this split or the most C grip I am comfortable with. The reason is my squeeze of the dice has to go through the cubes and not up and down. Squeezing through the dice keeps them from moving around and even slight movement causes a slight split or looseness at the bottom of my dice.

(2) Also, any slight adjustment or shift of direction with your thumb or middle finger once you have your finger and thumb in contact with the dice can cause the split. I at least must put my middle finger and thumb on the cubes exactly where I will keep them and not make any adjustments once they make contact with the dice. If I need to adjust at all then I need to take both my thumb and finger off the dice to do this and not just one or the other even if only one actually needs the adjustment.

(3) I am not sure how you pick up the dice but I apply my thumb and middle finger first and then bring the index and ring finger around and place them. This gives another opportunity for the dice to shift slightly. I must grip firmly with my middle finger and thumb and keep this tighter grip until I place my other fingers. Then I make sure my finger pressure on all three front and thumb are adjusted together to the lightness I want.

(4) Also, along with #3 above I have also noticed that while bringing my index and ring finger around and not having a firm enough grip with middle and thumb that if I just brush the side of the dice as I adjust that they shift slightly. I must make sure I actually take my fingers off the side of the dice completly and bring them around the dice instead of just bringing them immediately forward while still having slight contact with the sides of the dice. If I brush the dice with an outside finger then I cause a problem.

After writing this, I think I must be the poster child for poor gripping technique!! 😆 😆

Anyway, I hope some of this may help you in some way! Thanks for reading!

Posted by: the gman on March 31, 2013, 4:23 am

Grip …

Anyway for me i have that happen , particularly when the dice are very slippery ( dry air)

That is why i have been practicing to slow my throwing motion down… If you go forward
to fast it pushes with the thumb…. that causes a split at the bottom. that is
why i use the stupid marshmellows…. the feeling of throwing nothing slows you
down. a slow motion with the three fingers, and thumb in unison, will not cause a s split.

gman

Posted by: The Breeze on April 2, 2013, 2:27 am

I too have had grip issue and found one thing that seemed to help me. I place the dice farther out on the table on a 45 degree angle to the rail – like they are facing toward the center of my body and directly in line with my right shoulder and pick them straight up. After I pick them I immediately twist them into set/C position before I move my hand and arm into position to throw. I found that picking them up and aligning your hand-arm position and then making adjustments or making a more pronounced C grip was pushing the dice apart at the bottom and out of square.

The Grip is the never ending issue and the one thing I have to be much more careful about as muscle memory seems to only go so far.

RIchardM

Posted by: Dr Crapology on April 2, 2013, 11:50 am

Several excellent suggestions as mention above.

Alligator Rose and I used to have the dreaded split problem. Here is how we corrected it for us. We simply grab the dice with out thumb and middle finger. Bring the dice into position in front of us using the "C" grip. Just before we bring the index and ring fingers into position we use the index finger and pinky to "push" the dice together and then bring the index and ring finger into position. The "pushing" of the dice together certainly helps to bring them together and avoid the split.

As we said this works for us. Remember there is only one letter difference between adopt and adapt. Doing this exactly as we do it may not work for you but you may be able to adapt.

Hope this helps.

Doc and Alligator Rose

Posted by: Dr Crapology on April 2, 2013, 11:53 am

One last item we forgot. Make sure you are holding the dice very, very (add a few more if you like) as squeezing too tight with the thumb and middle finger can cause a split. Also remember the index finger and ring finger act as wings for the dice to roll off of, for your gentle back spin.

Posted by: Finisher on April 2, 2013, 2:14 pm

Dr C If you just grab the dice with out your middle finger and thumb that is great . I have a hard time some times with all that I have .
I will try just grabbing the dice with 3 fingers .But just sitting here and trying to get those three to react together is a little hard . I guess it will take practice . It actually hurts just trying to get the tree together and it looks like I am giving some one the finger. 😀 😀
I don’t know if you noticed that part or am I missing some thing. I am getting old and the fingers don’t move like they use too.
This reminds me of when I tried to type with all fingers . They all got stiff and hurt for an hr.
Good Rolling. 😀 😀