Not uncommon in parts of LV. I’ve experienced it in off-strip casinos, some of which were major chains. To work around this, I’ve just starting placing a min passline bet on the shooter before me. That seems to avoid the problem.

As for is this a rule. It’s not in NV gaming regulations but it can be a house policy/procedure.

I’m with Pointman, if it is a casino I am not familiar with, I will place minimum pass line in shooter before me. Better safe than sorry.

I agree with Pointman and The Griz. The 3 local casinos I go to have an inhouse rule that you must have a bet on the player just before you. Therefore I will make a come bet after the point is established. If the player is point-7 you are ahead. If not, I hope he/she make the come bet.

CC Roller

That happens all the time in Albuquerque.
Clark

That’s a first for me. Normally people are begging for a different roller when it gets to me.

Just 2 trips ago I had a new person come up to the table . I did not know if he was going to roll or not .At first I started to put my bet down then decided not to. Well it turned out that he was a DP and did not want to roll.The stick know that I had not made a pass line bet on the other players . ( about 5 or 6 } He says it is OK you can roll and that was that . I think he knows that I always bet the pass line on the roller before me.I have only had that rule in forced one time and since then I make the pass line bet on the roller before me .
At the craps table rules some times change from pit boss to pit boss and dealer to dealer.I like it when the pit critter leaves and the dealer says don’t let him bother you he is always like that . Have some fun . Not all bosses are great.
Good Rolling.

I had this happen at a casino in Philiadelphia prior to catching my flight home. I had just walked up to the table and had my money out. The roller at SR1 had a 7 out on the next roll–I was at SL1. I bought in and the box idiot said I could not roll because I had not bet on the previous roller. The table was full so it would 45 minutes to an hour before I would see the dice. I would have had to leave before the dice would get to me. The only reason I bought in was I would be the next to roll. I complained that I could not buy in because the roller (a chicken feeder) had a 7 out before I could buy in–if I had had chips I would have made a bet. He said absolutely no. I picked up my chips and left.

To avoid this if you are at a casino you have not been to before ask. If they say you must bet on the roller before you, after the roller establishes a point make a minimum come bet and take single odds or place $6 or $12 dollars on the 6 or 8. An inexpensive way to insure you get to roll.

I know the dealer or box idiot will often say to my "you aren’t going to bet on your wife?" I will reply I always wait for any shooter to "prove" him or herself. Many players do this.

Hope this helps.

Doc

Thanks for all the replies and advice, at least I now know.

Doc YOU MAY HAVE MISSED YOUR FLIGHT IF YOU ROLLED A GOOD ONE . So better that you made your plane and stayed cool.
Good Rolling. 😀 😀

On a long roll there IS always another flight.

Another way to bet and hopefully not lose is to place a don’t bet and pick it up after the shooter rolls providing it’s not a 7 or 11. I do that in the casinos that make you have a bet on the line in order to bet the ATS or Fire bet. The rules say you can pick up your don’t bet if you want to.
Clark

"Lois and Clark" wrote: Another way to bet and hopefully not lose is to place a don’t bet and pick it up after the shooter rolls providing it’s not a 7 or 11. I do that in the casinos that make you have a bet on the line in order to bet the ATS or Fire bet. The rules say you can pick up your don’t bet if you want to.
Clark

On a random roller the house has an 8 to 3 advantage on the come out roll. After the point is established, the advantage reverses in favor of the bettor. The house knows they are at a disadvantage once the point is established and that is why they "allow" players to pick up their don’t bets after a point is established.

If you always pick up your don’t bet on a random roller after the point is established you are giving the house a 13.89% house advantage on your don’t wager. If you leave the bet up until it is resolved you reduce the house advantage to 1.36%.

On a random roller either way is a losing wager. But by leaving the don’t wager up until it is resolved you will lose less money over time. You will lose around 10 times more money if you pick up your wager every time.

Well said Skinny. Before Rose and I were in GTC we played with a fellow (a former GTC’er no less as I don’t see or hear from him any more) who would bet the Don’t Pass and if the roller made several throws on box numbers he would "switch" the bet from the don’t pass to the pass. I guess he thought he had a hot shooter or something.

Doing this, he is getting the worst side of two situations—(1) He has the disadvantage on the don’t on the come out roll and then giving up the advantage once you get past the come out roll and (2) going from the advantage of the don’t pass on the point cycle to a disadvantage on the pass line once the point is established. Seems pretty stupid to this old doc. The casinos must love this guy.

Doc and Alligator Rose

Skinny: I fully understand the math of the game and what you are saying. If I were looking for a win then I would leave the bet down. Of course that would also mean that I would not bet the fire bet because I know it is a bad math bet.

All I am trying to say is that if I get by the come out roll I am not stuck with trying not to lose on the pass line. My only investment in the fire bet is either $1 if I pick up the DP or $6 if I lose the DP.

Of course in the long run I would be better off not trying to hit the fire bet at all and placing the $6 on the 6 or the 8. I’d make more money.

To me the fire bet is played merely for fun and I don’t play it on every shooter at the table.
Clark

"Lois and Clark" wrote: My only investment in the fire bet is either $1 if I pick up the DP or $6 if I lose the DP.
Clark

Sure I get it. You like to make the fire bet or ATS. But do you need to make a line bet in order to play the fire bet or ATS? Unless the casino you play at requires a line bet in order to make a fire bet or ATS, you may be able to make either or both bets alone without the DP wager.

If you are making the DP wager so that you have a line bet on the preceding player in order to be able to shoot when it is your turn then that is another story. But in that case as well, would not the fire bet or ATS alone count as a wager on the prior player so that you could shoot? I realize you are willing to give the house your $5 on the DP 13.89% of the time. But if your objective is to qualify for the next shooter and make a fire bet or ATS, then maybe you don’t have to accompany it with a DP wager. The fire bet or ATS alone may be the only bet you need to make in order to be able to shoot.

Some casinos make you have a line bet in order to play the ATS or the Fire Bet, not all. None of the casinos I have played in here have required a bet on the previous shooter as a prerequiset to being able to shoot.
Clark

OK, now I understand why you are making a line bet.

I have a deal for you 🙂 You know how I feel about the fire bet. But I also know you like to make that wager, especially if Lois is shooting 😀

I won’t try to talk you out of that bet if you consider the following for me.

I believe you are giving the casinos too much of an advantage unnecessarily by making a DP wager and pulling it down after the point is established in order to make a Fire Bet or ATS. When you do this with a $5 DP wager, your expected loss after doing it 72 times is a loss of $50. If you were to leave that DP bet up until it is resolved instead your expected loss after 72 times would only be $5. Alternatively if you were to make a $5 Pass Line wager instead, your expected loss would also be only $5 after 72 wagers.

So here is my deal.

If the casino requires you to make a line bet in order to place a Fire Bet or ATS then try one of the following.

Either make a minimum PL wager on the theory that you are hoping the shooter will throw for a long time to hit your Fire Bet or ATS. If that happens you will win the PL wager.

Or you could make a DP wager and leave the bet up as a sort of hedge against the Fire Bet or ATS. If the shooter sevens out, you win the DP and it offsets your loss on the Fire Bet or ATS. If the shooter makes the point, you lose the DP bet but you will be that much closer to winning your other bet.

Personally, I would probably go with the PL wager because I don’t like to bet against myself with the DP. I want the shooter to make the point to put me in a better position to win the Fire Bet or ATS. But the choice is yours because either wager, PL or DP is better than taking down a DP after the point is established. I hope you understand I have your best interests at heart with this suggestion. I just hate to give the casinos any advantage at all, especially unnecessarily.

I love Skinny and his math!

Dominator

My local casino would let me shoot unless I have action on the previous shooter. I usually make a come bet after the point (and hope for a quick 7). I won’t take odds unless they make the 5 count. I tell them "I’m not feeling it, yet". Most of the time I’m right 😮

The only exception I’ve noticed about "no action" is when several people pass the dice.

BTW unless it is a new dealer, they all know I have dealers on the line when I shoot. It helps.

Skinny: Point well taken, Thanks.
Clark

Skinny How about making that fire then if the roller makes his first point you just stop betting . Does the fire stay up so you have won your fire bet back and your risk is smaller now. I realize that if the first point is not made you loose a lot but just don’t place odds that may make you feel better.
I do not know the full rules on the fire or the ats but it seems that what ever the first point is and if you win that you will have little to loose if you don’t bet any more and more to gain. Just a thought.
Don’t know the odds of making one point on every roller. I know there are a lot of point 7 outs but there must be a lot of rolls that make just one point or 2 or 3 compared to the start of win for fire 4 .
For the math guys out there
1. % point 7 outs .
2. one point rolls
3. 2 point rolls
4 3 point rolls.
So the real question is if I bet on every roller but only bet the first roll on the pass line will I be ahead and just think if SOME ROLL A 7 OR 11 ON COME OUT THAT WOULD HELP TOO.
Did not think about that.
So you make a fire bet or ats bet then a 11 is rolled . You take your win and bet ( pass line ) wait till you win again before making another bet is that good .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀