I always use the hardways set so I can observe what the dice are doing as well as the result. If I use another set, then I cannot accurately analyze the results.

Those I know who set for 7 on the come out roll, use the all 7’s set: 4/3 or 5/2 on top.

Goddess

ACPA—I know a lot of people are doing more come betting so when a point is made they may have 3 or more come bets working. The roller (hopefully a GTC roller) set for a 7 and boom, he its a 7 and you lose all the come bets offset by the bet that wins on the pass line. When I am the roller and I see a lot of come bets on the table after a point is made, out of courtesy I never set for a 7. To me it seems to be the right thing to do.

This is my $.02 worth but I know some on this board will disagree with me.

Doc

When I have the dice I play my game and don’t worry what others at the table are betting. When I am playing with other GTC’ers I watch what set they are using on the come-out roll and how they are betting and adjust my betting to suit what the shooter is doing.

When I have come bets up I always use the hardway set on the come-out.

For those of you who bet the world on the come-out. Look at a a $6 bet as follows – 2C, 1E & hop the 7’s ($3) – this pays $10 and the bet stays up vs a $5 world.

Like you Thomas, I don’t let others n dictate my shooting, except kid I am with a lot of friends who have come bet out, I wii usually follow Doc’s example.

However I use a seven set with a 6-1 axis on my initial roll.

Godness, do you know why those who set for the seven on come out use the one you quoted?

Noah

I work my 6/8 even on the come-out, I see it as just another roll, and if hit a 7, I still keep the dice and have chance to make the dice apologize. I don’t see any reason to waste a roll or relax.

Pit Boss

wow i am confussed about this.

But then there are people that you play with and there are people you go out to dinner with and then if you are lucky you find a few that you do both with.

I also don’t let what others have on the table dictate what I am going to do. My feeling is that it is my money on the table.

I play my game with both comebets and place bets, so the only time I set for the 7 is when I first get the dice.

Dominator

If you are throwing with an edge then you would want all of your bets working all of the time since you have an edge on every throw and the come out throw is no different.The only problem with doing this is the attention that it MIGHT bring from the crew at certain casinos. Many casinos wouldn’t even notice since there are so many crazy craps players you would simply be one more crazy player.
The other thing to think about is the the 7 is the easiest number to throw so trying to throw 7 on the come out roll will increase the edge on your line bet which already has an edge on that first throw.
When you are playing with others and they have come bets and you do not, then they should realize that the seven on the come out is what you want to happen so it should be expected that you might try to toss it. The old saying goes "ya bets your money and ya takes your chances". Thinking about their bets is not where your mind should be and if it is then you have a problem with your concentration.
Do you change the way that you bet when others are throwing? I sometimes do. My considerations are how well I know that shooter and what does that shooter usually bet and what sets do they use. Even though the shooter may use only place bets and set for the 7 on comeouts I might still use come bets and simply take my chances on the come out rolls. Remember that you will win the line bet which eases the pain of losing the come bets.
My favorite bet is the come bet so you will see me making come bets a lot and if the hand is extended I will have come bets on every roll.
BTK

"ACPA" wrote: Was playing with Mark 3 and afterwards we discusses what set to use if you weren’t using come bets went you are on a come out roll.

I know some people use the CO roll as a free choice and not focus on it, the idea being it can’t hurt you with a seven out and it helps to make you not look like a dice controller.

Other consider it a completely separate segment of your game and therefore try to get winners on that toss. I’ve seen people set for the seven and hop the seven, others set for craps and bet a horn. if you had sufficient control those might be Ok bets, but I don’t have that control.

I don’t remember if this is discussed in the advanced craps book or not, will check that later.

However if you set for a seven does it matter which axis you use for the seven set? I thought using the 1-6 axis gives you easier to make point numbers if you keep the dice on axis. I’m going to look at that question, but would be interested in what others think.

Input appreciated. What do you do, and why on the come out roll when you don’t have any come bets?

Sharpshooter describes this in his book, edited by Frank, with the 5-2 on top with the possibility of a 6 rolling on top to produce an 11, also a winner on the come out.

Noah