The Beautiful Alligator Rose and I are in agreement.

Question: why have Frank, Dom and all the instructors spent so much time (and money) getting the math down to come up with the conclusion that the hardway set is the best? Because it is the best 7 avoidance set in existance. The hardway set takes into consideration the fact no matter which way the dice roll–double pitch (which good axis contral will help eliminate), side ways, splitting, hitting together, one die leading, one die highter than the other,whatever—the hard way set is the best way to limit the 7 being the result.

If one really wants to get good there is no way but the GTC way. Rose and I buy it hook, line and sinker. And we are successful THERE IS NO EASY WAY. Betting trends, changing sets, or using an underhand throw will not get you the long term results you want. It takes practice, dedication and a desire to get better. Even the best pros on the PGA tour practice everyday, take lessons and have swing coaches and sports psychologists to assist in their game plan. That is why Rose and I have have some advanced courses, turne ups, video and help from the instructors from time to time.

These guys you witness in the casino are gamblers looking for the easy way out. I’ll say it again, "there is not easy way."

My $.02 worth.

Doc

Bman

I guess it would all depend on how consistant you are. If you could throw each toss the same
every time , then you could surely pic the best set for that toss just as smart
craps does. It would not have to be a GTC throw.

I have tried that many times, i was doing the best i could to throw the gtc throw and it as 7 , 7,7,7 7,
and so on. number of rolls in a row of 1,2,3 SRR, so i changed the set and had a couple decent rolls.
BUt i dont feel that was the set change it was just luck. I dont do that any more i stay with my set. I
have miles to go before i can make a profit consistantly, but i am only working on one thing
and that is the throw.

I think you and i both agree that the better your toss gets, the worse the results can be if your off
a little. It seems to be a curse at times that pulls you to say forget this nonsense, when you understand
you needs to work very hard to take it to another level of success. 4 years i ago i could make the
perfect throw, now i can, lord knows i need to make alot more of them. But once you have made that
perfect throw, you want to make another.

gman

gman

Doc is RIGHT. I think that there is no short way.
GTC Has done the research.

Good Rolling.

If you are getting a lot of double pitches in the casino then switch your set to the 3V or 2V. This is a very quick fix, but will eliminate 1/2 of the double pitch sevens. However, that comes with a price. That price being, you are one die falling off axis to a seven.

To set the dice with a seven being 1/4 rotation of one die from appearing is not going to help the situation. You need to correct the over rotation. Go home and work on the basics.

It is never the dice set. There is a problem with the grip or arm swing that is causing one die to spin faster than the other one.

NFF

I just feel sorry for the guys who get told this junk, there are some of the nicest people you will ever meet and want help.

So the moral of the story just because someone took the classes doesn,t mean they know sheep dip from marbuckles coffee.

People be very carfull when giving advixe to others they are playing with real money and may not realize how little you do not know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for all the input i hope this help they few.

Ps for all of you out there going to the dice coach gtc tuneups are the same price they just do not include all the bullshit like the method that he claims works according to the dice coach, or the change your set, or no more back swing so you can learn to push the dice threw with your thumb and then wonder why are my dice now splitting when they hit, what really is going on.

"the gman" wrote: But once you have made that perfect throw, you want to make another.

gman

Agreed gman, recently I had a perfect throw at Council Bluffs, and I said -WOW!
Now to do it again and again.
It was so pretty to see both dice stuck together and in rotation, that when the next few tosses went the same way, I said this can be done! BUT the how I did it is still a bit of a mystery. Hopefully the refresher course will help in addressing some flaws that I must have but don’t know about or can’t see!

Pat more about sets.

Billy is right in saying that it is never the set, it is the throw. NF5 said it right that if the double pitches are coming you can switch to the 2V or 3V. BMan is also correct in saying that I also feel sorry for the guy that talked to another so called school.

I have always felt as I say in class that only 10% make it the GTC way, and I really think it is because what we teach are not quick fix things. What we teach is practice and more practice. I also know that some of these guys preach such terrible bets on the table.

I know that some of them will say that we have "drank the GTC Kool Aid". Well, all I can say is who dod the History channel do an hour biography on? Maybe, just maybe our Kool Aid is the way to go!

Dominator

A very interesting post. Brothleman is correct about the 7 being one click away with the 5/4 top 4/5 facing you. However, I have been using this set in practice and at home. Today I hit a 5 or a 9 11 out of 22 tosses. Since that is all I was looking for it was indeed a money making session. I think I had superb control of the dice because of what I learned through GTC.

Now to address his condemnation of the method. B-Man you are way off base. I am over $4000 ahead in the time I have owned it. The biggest problem people who own it have is that they try to shoot and play it at the same time. That will send corrupt messages to your brain. You can’t be concentrating on the correct GTC toss and try to memmorize what you should be looking for when playing the method.

The method differs from a controlled toss such as GTC in that one does not hve to practice like an athelete at the craps table. A person can simply get up and go with no preparation when using the method. However, a person will get much more satisfaction from perfecting a GTC toss and winning than they will from winning using the method.

The object of playing as often as one can is to always bring home more than you take to bet with. Being a negative expectation game you can’t always do that. Therefore one must use the GTC toss to make more on the good hands than he does on the bad hands. And every one of us that are using the GTC toss will have a session now and then that is not stellar. With the method it is the same. You cannot win every session, but you will win more than you bet in the long run.
Clark

The Method.

That must have been what this guy was using when I was in Vegas in Oct. He had sheets of graph paper and was recording rolls. I will admit he was very confident when he says to his friend, "The 4 hasn’t hit for a looong time. It overdue!" Must just not have been his day. For the record, it wasn’t mine either 😮

"sevenout" wrote: The Method.

"The 4 hasn’t hit for a looong time. It overdue!" Must just not have been his day.

It had nothing to do with that. The Method is based on predicting the future from what has occurred in the past. This is mathematically and scientifically impossible for random events. Literature on The Method claims it is based on science and math when the direct opposite is true. Science and Math tell us The Method is a scam.

We have discussed this "ad nauseum" in the past so I am not going to bother reiterating what has been stated before. But I will debunk this again if I have to.

Hmmm I once walk up to a table and there was this guy on the hook that was keeping track of numbers and said that the 8 had not come up in 40 rolls so I said I will bet 6.00 on it and 2 rolls later I looked at him and said I am getting a little worried. 😀 😀 He said its coming.IT then was rolled and I made the 7.00 and took it down.
It worked out fine and I did not have to do all that recording like he was doing. 😀 😀 😀
LOL. Good Rolling. 😀 😀

Skinny is so right, I would rather not have talk about the method on this site, because it is just BS.

Now I recall a time with Daryl at the table and Stick was with us. Those two went into a skit about this method they bought and how it made money and then he lost his shirt and had to sell his dog to start a new BR. I am laughing as I am writing this. NF5 and Stick just went on and on and it was breaking me up! 😆 😆 😆 😆

Dominator

Lets face it there is certain facts to the game, if the dice go off the table the 7 will appear, if they change the stick the seven will appear, if the three shows the seven will apper if some one buys in iin the middle of the roll the seven will appear, and so on.

Now are these facts or do they stick out in our mind because someone said it would happen and it did once,we always rember the ugly always, there so we tend to think it to be fact and not the random act it is.

Superstitions are part of this game of craps. We can use them though while at the tables and a random roller is shooting. Nothing wrong to say "My bets are off" when the CF’er has his dice go off the table or there is a stick change.

Remember, any reason you have to know bet on a CF’er will make you money!

Dominator