I am just back from a weekend in AC. What I experienced serves as a reminder of all things we know from GTC. I had a number of good sessions with some decent profit yet I did not see another winner at the tables all weekend. Instead, all who came and threw left losers. Except me. Here is why:
Every player who came to the table from $5 to $50 limits, had no plan, no strategy. They threw random, they bet random, they did not 5 count. I outlasted every person at each session.
I five counted every roller. When I threw I, I was conservative until I passed the 5 count. I had my stinkers, but they did not hurt that much.
I had staying power. When the good rolls came, I was able to capitalize.
At some point, at each of the sessions, a full table became a one man table (me), then a good roll, and the table would fill up. By the time the dice went around the table, most of those players were gone. Another roll and the table would fill up. And so on and so on. Only I was able to remain at the table with funds for the next good throw.
At one table a guy comes up and colors 20g. He makes a few bucks on me. He then takes the dice and proceeds to lose the 20g on the next 4 shooters. By the time the dice come to me, he is gone. I have a good throw. He comes back during my shoot and colors 10g. Again he makes a few bucks. He then takes the dice, craps out in 4 throws, and continues to bet the bank on each roller. Loses it all again. Not once despite standing right next to me, does he ask why I am not betting other rollers.
On another occasion, at a different casino on the boardwalk, I cannot find a spot at any 10 or 25 table. I take a shot at the $50 table where I can get my spot. Again the same scenario. They come, lose a bundle and leave.
The dice come to me. I can only do a pass line with single odds. A $60 six and eight. I have a good roll. I make two points with a few 6 and 8’s in between. I am feeling good. A guy walks up while the dice are in my hand and drops a wad of 100’s on the table. I shudder, but shoot and establish a 4 point.
They finish counting the guy. He had apparently told them he wanted a don’t pass bet. He bought in at 16g. They pop most of it on the dont pass with odds. I lock and load, throw a few numbers, hit a 6 and an eight with my measly $60 on them. Then I throw a 4 and make the point. The guy loses most. Picks up and leaves. I take the dice, establish a point and then crap out. Again, if he had only had patience or a plan. But he had none, so he was a loser too!
In any event, if I was ever tempted not to 5 count, this weekend was a reminder that it would be a mistake. The only other shooter who threw and managed well was an guy who was throwing from the end of the table with a GTC throw and set, just like we were taught. Never got to talk to him, but he had a great roll. He was the only other shooter all weekend who had a roll to make money on.
All in all, I would say that GTC and its methods played well in AC this weekend.
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Posted by: Mr Finesse on February 19, 2013, 2:49 pm
Great to read your post, what you said happens every day in every casino in the world.
The money spent on GTC classes can be returned just by learning to use the 5-count properly and never becoming a great shooter. On the other hand if you become an accomplished shooter you now have to multiple ways to win.
Posted by: Dominator on February 19, 2013, 3:36 pm
1. learn the GTC throw … Tony has taken all three classes and the video elite and he is coming back again this March as a refresher! You can never stop learning and striving to get better
2. Know what your edge is ….
3. Bet into your edge … Tony did this by betting low house edge bets , the 6/8 and using the 5-count on all other shooters
Just a great job and a testament to Golden Touch!
Dominator
Posted by: Dr Crapology on February 19, 2013, 4:10 pm
With all the losses by the ploppies that your wrote about, the casinos really don’t have a problem. Why they give us heat I will never understand. We bring in these crazy players as they think the table is "hot" when it isn’t. The good roller simply knows what he is doing.
Doc and Alligator Rose.
Posted by: Skinny on February 19, 2013, 5:02 pm
Great report and congrats on a profitable trip, just one of many for you. I like the way you lit up the table and the high roller who made money on your rolls went broke dropping $30 grand on himself and others. The casino lost a few bucks to you and picked up at least 30 large from this guy. As Doc says, I can not understand why the casinos do not pick up on this? They could do much better if they just left us alone and let us be "shills" for them. We bring in a lot more from others than we take away for ourselves.
Posted by: billythekid on February 19, 2013, 5:21 pm
Great report. As you know craps can be a very brutal game and using the 5 count can give you good protection from the variance. It’s amazing to watch the carnage when players come to the table and just bet with no plan. Great win using patience and planning.
BTK
Posted by: Timmer on February 19, 2013, 5:41 pm
You’re right. – Unless the controlled throw is matched with "controlled" betting, craps will remain a negative-expectation game and losers will remain losers.
Winning at craps always includes smart betting. The winning "10%" that Dominator often mentions know this…
The math of the game doesn’t lie…
😎 😎 😎
Posted by: NofieldFive on February 19, 2013, 6:06 pm
You have been a great student of the GTC method, and a great student of the game of Craps.
I am proud to have been a small part of your GTC development!
NFF
Posted by: GameDay on February 19, 2013, 9:40 pm
As I have said many times to anyone who would listen:
I came from a craps past where it was a losing proposition: no plan, totally random, wins based upon luck, many more losses than wins.
Once I found GTC, it all changed. Winning years as opposed to losing years.
There is no doubt that GTC works. There will always be doubters…but done right you have the best chance to win learning the throw and the betting.
I have always said that the GTC investment has paid tremendous dividends. I have won many times over what I have invested in the GTC method.
I tell prospective students that after the first class I managed to win enough over some time to buy a rig. With that I practiced and won enough to by a table. With the table, practice became fun and something to look forward to and put me in a "real" environment. That helped relax me and made me comfortable when at a real table.
Add to that the people that I met at GTC and their good company and it has been a pleasure to be part of this program.
It is me that should be thanking you.
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Posted by: ACPA on February 20, 2013, 5:59 am
I couldn’t begin the count the number of times I was Atari table after everyone else had left because they were broke for reasons mentioned in this thread, but once I was qualifying the shooters, I was still around.
Noah
Posted by: Goddess on February 20, 2013, 11:47 am
Goddess
Posted by: Carey1001 on February 20, 2013, 6:14 pm
Posted by: Raging Baritone on February 21, 2013, 12:01 am
Posted by: Dragboatracer on February 21, 2013, 12:41 am
Miss you man. Hope all is good with you.
Bruce
Posted by: MissouriRick on February 21, 2013, 7:25 am
Posted by: GameDay on February 22, 2013, 8:54 pm
I can’t wait to get to class in March to get "refreshed".
Just seeing your responses has sent me to the practice table with renewed vigor.
One note: Goddess mentions Sandtraps 90. I missed that toss. But I was there for his 50 and boy was that sweet. Jack says I am considered a GEORGE. I do what we are taught at class and it works wonders. Every once in a while, when I am clicking on a throw and I have 2 come bets up, I will throw a dollar on top of the come bet for the dealers. If things are really clicking, when I give my odds, I give the dealers odds too. This really makes them attentive to my action and puts them in the game. They love it. I use this sparingly so it does not become routine. They absolutely love it.
Lastly, just a funny story. I don’t know if Missouri Rick will remember this but a couple of years ago we found ourselves at the same table….me at stick L2 and Rick at stick L1. I don’t remember who is throwing, he or I, but at the time, Rick and I were taking up the entire left side of the table. In any event, one of us lost our balance and fell into the other and there we were like two weebles or dominoes going down. Only a quick grab on the rail saved us from utter embarrassment. It was funny. I don’t know if Rick remembers this but I was laughing hysterically as were the dealers. If I remember correctly, it was an early morning shoot and Rick had a great roll. Good to see he is back, safe and sound.
Posted by: Dominator on February 22, 2013, 9:59 pm
Great story!
Dominator
Posted by: MissouriRick on February 23, 2013, 3:59 pm
And to Dom, I will stand by you any time. MoRick
Posted by: GameDay on February 24, 2013, 2:22 pm
Nice to hear from you. I was unable to make last years class. And was out of action for a while.
But I will be at the class and the tables in March in AC.
Will you be there? Hope to see you there and do some damage to the casino’s.
TM
Posted by: NofieldFive on February 26, 2013, 4:56 am
NFF
Posted by: SectionEight on February 26, 2013, 8:57 am
Again Tony, great report!
SectionEight
Posted by: Mr Finesse on February 27, 2013, 3:08 pm
